Peter Tatchell gets it handed to him

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Did anyone see his GB News slot and then tweet where he explains that there are ‘two different kinds of woman’?

Apparently there is a woman as defined by biology and there is a woman as defined by gender identity. Both are equally valid.

Nearly every comment and quote tweet is a variation of no, had enough of this now, total nonsense, why is anyone listening to this guy?

I think we’re moving away from all of this.

To add to this interesting comment, I'd also say that the difference between the constructions of 'gender' that are studied by, say, historians, were not the product of individuals' feelings being packaged up into a 'gender'. Most women and men didn't have the agency for that, let alone the words.

Historical constructions of gender were either state-sanctioned, community-sanctioned, created by groups (including kinship groups) or otherwise largely imposed.

(Similarly, 'gender non-conforming' is a term used as short-hand to describe those who appeared to have rebelled against 'gender norms' in some way, of which there have always been many.)

The ultra-modern concept of 'gender' being the packaging up of feelings into a 'personal gender' is very new and very privileged, in terms of the people espousing it having the agency to do so. Without that agency they couldn't have positioned the new vocabulary so prominently. Gender is no longer imposed from the outside or kinship networks; it is created by the individual and imposed on others.

TL:DR These kids really hate their fucking parents.

I don't have a Twitter account but when the sign in box comes up, I click on it as if to sign in then close the box down when it asks for sign in details and I can carry on reading. I have to to do it quite regularly but it works for me.

It's amazing that someone goes on a message boards where people comment on the news, and then moans about a channel that is about people commenting on the news.

But it's the same old story, where people believe that anyone they don't agree with should be censored! The same people are angry with the potential Musk takeover of Twitter.

GB News is a response to channels like BBC who have a lot of content editorialised by Stonewall. You got the mainstream media to follow certain agendas, and certain shrewd businessmen saw that the majority of the public disagreed and set up new TV channels in response.

Don't make my laugh about Benjamin Butterworth being the token stupid liberal, BBC have been doing it for years "let's have a debate about gay marriage, now Anjem Choudary, you disagree, why?"

I liked this response.

There is Spartacus, and then those who say ‘I am Spartacus.’

‘The ultra-modern concept of 'gender' being the packaging up of feelings into a 'personal gender' is very new and very privileged, in terms of the people espousing it having the agency to do so. Without that agency they couldn't have positioned the new vocabulary so prominently. Gender is no longer imposed from the outside or kinship networks; it is created by the individual and imposed on others.’

Also very interesting, except that (of course) it isn’t. Transmen are still the subjects of misogyny. They are ostracised even from the discourse surrounding transgenderism, and by exactly the same misogyny that made them run to escape the prison of gender. To me, a young ‘transman’ looks (most of the time) just like a really unhappy young woman.

It's also an attempt to make a private contract with sexism and misogyny when those private contracts will not be honoured the minute it becomes clear that you are of the female sex. Even trans men who pass and so reap the usual male goodies will face discrimination when it comes to reproductive health, and becoming nonbinary will not help at all.

But not having a name for the female sex will certainly make feminism rubbish. How do we fight for 'our' rights when that 'our' cannot be described in any way that is not dehumanising, objectifying and erasing?

I think it’s very triggering of you to ask that first question, as I- a person who is able to work but would rather win the lottery and sit around all day listening to podcasts- happened by and saw it, doing harm to me in the process. Do you even have a trauma informed background or someone available to buy me an ice cream and run me a nice bath?

‘Do you even have a trauma informed background or someone available to buy me an ice cream and run me a nice bath?’

I’m afraid not!

‘It's also an attempt to make a private contract with sexism and misogyny when those private contracts will not be honoured the minute it becomes clear that you are of the female sex.’

Well put.

I am pro people I disagree with being allowed to talk in public. Whether that's right wingers or Peter Tatchell. The more they talk the more people realise how extreme and worrying their views are.

I don’t particularly care about Tatchell wanging on about types of women, but it does startle me that people are prepared to platform someone with his record of comments about kids.

Is Tatchell right wing or left wing?🤔

Absolutely.

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Apparently there is a woman as defined by biology and there is a woman as defined by gender identity. Both are equally valid.

I bow to Mr Tatchells superior knowledge of women. At least it gets him off the topic of having sex with kids and why that isn't always a crime.

Hear, hear.

Yes, I agree with that. There's a very narrow band of acceptable opinion in the respectable society and media. You can see it going back to Gordon Brown's 'some old bigot' comment.

But it's true that every new thing, every change has a benefit to someone and a cost to someone else.

It's one thing to argue that the thing you're worried about won't be that bad, for x y z reasons, or maybe it will be quite bad, but will be worth it in the end, and here's why.

It's another to belittle and dismiss your worries and experiences and put a label on you for even daring to vocalise.

People are not going to give up their self preservation instinct because some OJ type says he's very disappointed in their poor morality. On the contrary, it drives people to extremes, and fractures society even more.

Things feel very Victorian again, with the respectable middle classes despairing against the deplorable morality of the lower orders.

Even linguistically- For example, my gran used to hint darkly that some middle aged woman had problems up the frock. Nowadays it's the same sort of strictures - you can say cunt and pussy as much as you like but Woman needs an asterisk, or hedging, or throat clearing to see if anyone with delicate sensibilities nearby might be shocked.

Love this. Wittiest post of the week .
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Do you even have a trauma informed background or someone available to buy me an ice cream and run me a nice bath?

Would these help @Deliriumoftheendless

Malcolm Clark's take:

mobile.twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1525084288219226114?cxt=HHwWhICxvY6FmKoqAAAA

More shark-jumping (in reply to Tatchell) from a certain MN lurker whose surname rhymes with boats:

”I’m a cis woman because my gender identity is woman, not because of my 'biological sex'.”

Right... so now “cis” is because your gender identity is woman and nothing to do with biology at all... But surely by this rationale every woman is cis? And therefore there is no such thing as trans?

The rationale for the word ‘cis’ was that some people (they said) have a gender identity that aligns with their biological sex and some don’t, hence the need to distinguish between ‘types’ of woman (cis and trans). But if we are now dispensing with the concept of biological sex as being related to which women are cis and which are trans, and putting ‘biological sex’ in inverted commas, which women are cis?

What even is a woman?

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God the entitled arrogance of his "Unite!" command. Us women will do what we individually want thanks, without an abuse apologist shouting commands at us.

We will.

@ExMachinaDeus and @Deliriumoftheendless

Do you realise the trauma and literal harm that the thought of ice cream causes people identifying as lactose intolerant? And what about people who once got in a bath that was a bit cold? How are they dealing with their trauma now? And the harm you have caused with a picture of a bunch of flowers for people who identify as suffering from hayfever?

You are probably too old to understand....

The free speech channel and the only one that actively shines a light on gender issues.