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ACLU to intervene in lawsuit from female inmates, claims males and females are not biologically different

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ScreamingMeMe · 13/05/2022 19:08

ACLU Claims “Males, Females” Do Not Exist: Court Docs

By
Anna Slatz
May 12, 2022

The American Civil Liberties Union is intervening in a lawsuit launched by four female inmates who were subjected to abuse at the hands of trans-identified male transfers. In the intervention, the ACLU claims that human beings are “not sexually dimorphic,” and that males have no biological differences from females.

In November of 2021, the Women’s Liberation front (WoLF) launched a lawsuit against the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) in response to the state’s transfer of male inmates to women’s prisons. In the suit, WoLF included representation for four female inmates currently incarcerated in the state who had experienced violations of their rights at the hands of male inmates who had been transferred under SB-132, one of which was sexually assaulted by a trans-identified male transfer.

SB-132, or the Transgender Respect, Agency, and Dignity Act, went into effect in January of 2021, and allowed male inmates to seek transfer to women’s prisons on the basis of self-declared gender identity. Male inmates did not have to be on hormones, have surgery, be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, or even have legal documents supporting their transgender status in order to gain transfer.

But the ACLU has now filed a motion to intervene in the suit, claiming the state of California cannot adequately represent their interests against WoLF, and that they must join in to defend SB-132.

But in the motion, filed on May 9 in the Fresno District Court, the ACLU not only rejects the details in WoLF’s suit, it also makes some bold assertions — including that “males” and “females” do not exist.

“Proposed Intervenors deny that ‘men as a class’ are defined and differentiated from ‘women as a class’ by their ‘anatomy, genitalia, physical characteristics, and physiology,'” the ACLU writes, going on to state that they “deny the allegation” that there are anatomical, genital, and physical characteristics that differentiate men from women.

The ACLU also claims that human beings are not sexually dimorphic, and there are no reproductive systems, hormones, or chromosomes which result in differences between males and females.

Speaking to Reduxx, WoLF legal director Lauren Adams expressed a mix of confusion and amusement at the ACLU’s claims in the filing. But rather than seeing it as an obstacle, Adams says there is opportunity that bodes well for WoLF’s position.

“The ACLU is suggesting that the state of California is not going to adequately represent their position because some officials don’t agree with the policy… to that, I would say: well, yeah! Once people find out what the policy is, they largely don’t support it,” she says, continuing: “The officials likely recognize they cannot keep women safe while successfully implementing the policy.”

Adams says the ACLU’s intervention may be the result of a concern that the state might be more inclined to protect incarcerated women than trans-identified males.

“I think the fact that the state is even saying that they care about the women’s safety is a threat to the ACLU. They joined in to make sure that there was at least one party in the case that didn’t care about women at all.”

Adams says that the ACLU often leverages their argument for transferring men into women’s institutions on the basis of a claimed risk of victimization while in a men’s institution, something Adams believes opens the door to an argument that they are also at a higher risk of perpetration.

“If you are saying this group has a risk of victimization, we can say the group also has a risk of perpetration. In the federal system, one-third of the substantiated prison rape complaints include a victim who was a sex offender. That is, in fact, the single biggest risk factor of being a victim of prison rape in male prisons.”

Adams notes that, despite ample evidence to the contrary, the ACLU denies that sex offenders were disproportionately represented amongst trans-identified male inmates, a claim that is easy to debunk.

“One-third of the requests for transfer from men’s prisons to women’s prisons include an inmate who had been convicted of a sex offense,” Adams says, noting that the figures are similarly stark in the federal prison system, where 48% of trans-identified male inmates were imprisoned on a sex offense.

“Ultimately what we are dealing with is a complete denial of reality,” Adams says, “The ACLU along with every person on this planet knows what men and women are, and what makes them different. Their denial of this fact in order to validate the identities of male offenders is embarrassing.”

WoLF is expected to file their response to the ACLU’s intervention by May 31.

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TooManyPJs · 13/05/2022 23:27

This would be funny if it weren't actually happening. It's like something out of a dystopian novel. Absolutely crazy denial of reality. How has it even come to this?!?

TooManyPJs · 13/05/2022 23:32

We are living in 1984....

"“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

“But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.”

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”

“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”

“You are a slow learner, Winston."
"How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
"Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”

Abhannmor · 14/05/2022 16:17

notanicepersonapparently · 13/05/2022 21:54

So babies really are found under a gooseberry bush?

That's so passé. You get them from Amazon.

TheWeeDonkey · 14/05/2022 16:23

By that logic trans doesn't exist either.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 14/05/2022 16:34

By that logic, they should put all the SOs in female prisons to protect them from rape.

(Are any of these states with these rules also anti abortion? Or will soon a woman be locked up with a rapist and forced to have the baby the rapist fathered. Then what happens to the baby? Forced adoption, cate system?)

Artichokeleaves · 14/05/2022 17:03

I feel rather about this as I do about KM and Stonewall. Unleash the batshit. Let it all hang out, lets get it right out there in the sunshine for everyone to see.

timeisnotaline · 14/05/2022 23:19

The worst part of this is it might not be thrown out of court in ridicule. Who knows which way this case will go. Particularly in California.

Artichokeleaves · 15/05/2022 08:40

However as in the UK, the more the electorate see, hear and realise, the more people start speaking out and explaining the problems, and the more people start to say hang on a minute, this is plain silly.

Court cases like this are extremely helpful.

KittenKong · 15/05/2022 08:45

So - they present as the sex they weren’t born as. Why bother if sex doesn’t exist?

TheWeeDonkey · 15/05/2022 08:50

Do they have perjury laws in California?

If so will Chase serve their time in a male prison or a female prison?

BowerOfBramble · 15/05/2022 08:52

thinking about the anti abortion nuts in the US always makes me realise that their fundamental argument is that fetus is more important than mother because fetus might be male. Therefore we must privilege the maybe male over the definitely female.

this is the same isn’t it - “maybe male” (because society still seems to privilege TW’s rights “as if they were men”) versus definitely female.

guinnessguzzler · 15/05/2022 09:00

Is this real? WTF? Sorry, OP, not doubting you, but this is just utterly nonsensical. I knew things were bad but this is beyond ridiculous. What is driving this shit? It's utter utter bollocks. Except that bollocks presumably don't actually exist. Even the new Mumsnet emojis cannot adequately capture my thoughts on this.

HairyBum · 15/05/2022 09:00

Isn’t this what stonewall believe too? That there’s no difference between females and males. Maybe I’ve got the wrong end of the stick though?

ACLU sound like flat earthers

OldCrone · 15/05/2022 09:01

KittenKong · 15/05/2022 08:45

So - they present as the sex they weren’t born as. Why bother if sex doesn’t exist?

This is what I don't understand. Surely the existence of two distinct sexes is essential for a belief that someone can be transgender. If there is no distinction between male and female, there is nothing to transition to and from, and transgenderism can't exist.

Aspergirl77 · 15/05/2022 09:18

WTAF 😡

KittenKong · 15/05/2022 09:23

Are they fighting for single sex prisons? Why are they meddling in the issues where male bodies are places in women prisons (didn’t they try to block a FOI request for numbers?).

NecessaryScene · 15/05/2022 09:49

Surely the existence of two distinct sexes is essential for a belief that someone can be transgender.

No, because you're "transgender" if your "gender" is different from the "gender" you were "assigned at birth".

Sex doesn't need to exist for this process to happen.

NecessaryScene · 15/05/2022 09:50

Sex doesn't need to exist for this process to happen.

Except of course it was required for the birth that was mentioned. 😆

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/05/2022 10:03

I've taken to Twattering that kind of comment.

Tell me how to choose a partner when the aim is to procreate. I bet you know what a women is then!

I have had some weird responses, including links to that Calvin Klein advert. Where I point out the fact that all the surgeries those two people have had to change the way their bodies look and still it is the female who is pregnant. You can't change your biological reality.

OldCrone · 15/05/2022 10:43

NecessaryScene · 15/05/2022 09:49

Surely the existence of two distinct sexes is essential for a belief that someone can be transgender.

No, because you're "transgender" if your "gender" is different from the "gender" you were "assigned at birth".

Sex doesn't need to exist for this process to happen.

But why would a gender be assigned to anyone if sex didn't exist?

MadameKali · 15/05/2022 10:43

Neverreturntoathread · 13/05/2022 23:16

🙈 This kind of crap is why Trump will get elected again.

@Neverreturntoathread maybe that's the point. Maybe these moves (and the money behind them) aren't coming from where you'd expect.

And if that's the case, it's actually a genius move. Find useful idiots, fund them to pursue evermore outlandish causes, knowing that a vast majority of the electorate will think it's bonkers and vote against the mainstream parties who support related issues.

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