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UCU to “take a stand” against GC feminists?

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SidewaysOtter · 13/05/2022 07:07

I’ve only picked this up from a conversation within another thread but WTAF? I had to go off and Google it because it was new on me, despite working in academia. Surely the role of UCU (or indeed any Union) is to stand up for workers’ rights and not pursuing ideological vendettas.

And what is this “stand” going to look like? Will we be hunted down on campus? Find our names on a black list? Given the treatment of Kathleen Stock, is any “outed” GC feminist going to be looking over their shoulder? Because I can easily imagine a situation where names are “known” and repercussions follow.

And how the fuck can this possibly be squared with the EA2010 where GC beliefs are protected under law?

www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ucu-set-showdown-over-transgender-rights-stance

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tabbycatstripy · 13/05/2022 07:36

‘We’re going to bully people for their legally protected beliefs’ is not a good look.

NecessaryScene · 13/05/2022 07:42

It does show how this is like turning around an oil tanker.

Mixing the metaphors somewhat, the front has already hit the iceberg, but the people at the back are still picking up orders from 5 years ago to accelerate.

mrshoho · 13/05/2022 07:46

Utter hypocrisy. People join a union to protect them from workplace bullying and here they are planning to now bully their own members for daring to have a personal belief. The thought police must be extremely busy these days. The world has gone mad is a phrase I seem to be using far too much these days.

MTCoffeePot · 13/05/2022 08:22

I left UCU in 2020 as I couldn't stand the way individuals in my branch kept proposing a motion to restrict all academic discussion relating to trans people.They wanted to bring the motion to the national conference. This was happening during 2019 and 2020 when we were in dispute and, of course, dealing with Covid 19. As other posters have said, this motion is just about activists bullying colleagues to keep quiet.

tigerbird · 13/05/2022 09:00

Can anyone post the full text? I don’t have a subscription but am aghast to see this. After their treatment of Kathleen Stock my UCU membership is hanging by a thread anyway, and this might just be the last straw (if that’s not mixing metaphors too much….)

Roseglen84 · 13/05/2022 09:01

So many institutions and organisations have been infiltrated by people whose sole agenda is pushing this ideology at all costs, often going well beyond their remit. Young ideologues who want to make their mark by enforcing their world view on others and overtaking the established ones who either don't know enough to push back, or don't care enough to bother.

It makes you realise that behind every great institutions that we hold in high esteem are just people, and they can be corrupted so easily. Nowhere is safe from this shit.

TheMarzipanDildo · 13/05/2022 09:14

Shocking.

DomesticatedZombie · 13/05/2022 09:44

The UK’s biggest academic union is set for a bitter showdown over its stance on transgender rights – as members remain locked in disputes over pay and pensions.

Critics of a motion that calls on the University and College Union to take a stand against “gender critical” feminists – those who believe it is not possible for people to change their biological sex – said that it was divisive and distracted the union from its core work of protecting workers’ rights.

But supporters said academics should be doing more to create a culture that is fully inclusive and safe for people of all genders and accused their opponents of whipping up a “culture war”.

If passed at the UCU congress in early June, the motion would mandate the union to “oppose ‘gender critics’ and transphobes ‘promoting gender ideology’ and trying to undermine trans and non-binary people’s rights”.

Holly Smith, who is coming to the end of her two-year term on UCU’s national executive committee, said that this could expose the union to legal action from those who felt discriminated against, referencing the case of Maya Forstater, who won a high court ruling in June 2021 that gender critical beliefs should be protected after her contract at the Center for Global Development, a thinktank, was not renewed.

“It is unclear what opposing feminists who take a materialist approach would look like in practice, but it certainly raises the possibility that UCU is advocating for us to be subjected to unlawful discrimination,” said Dr Smith, a lecturer in higher education at UCL.

Although the motion is yet to pass, a spokesman for the union said that it was a “proud and unequivocal supporter of the rights of trans and non-binary people” and it “rejects wholeheartedly the attacks being launched on this community across the media and in government”. The spokesman added that the union would “not sit idly by whilst a culture war is stoked in order to question their [transgender people’s] existence”.

The motion also resolves that the congress should congratulate the University of Sussex branch of UCU for its “solidarity” with student protests against philosopher Kathleen Stock, after she was accused of transphobia due to her views on gender. Professor Stock claimed the statement “end[ed] her career” at Sussex and later resigned.

Dr Smith said that a lesbian feminist academic losing her job shouldn’t be celebrated and that the failure of the local UCU branch to support her right to participate in public policy debates about women’s rights “sets a destructive precedent”.

“Academic freedom is a foundational value of higher education, and free speech within the law is an essential prerequisite for democratic debate,” Dr Smith said, adding that she felt trade unions were most effective when organising on the broadest basis of common interest of the membership.

The founding of the Feminist Gender Equality Network, which opposes transphobia on campuses and more broadly, is also welcomed by the motion.

The co-founders of this network, Sally Hines, chair of sociology at the University of Sheffield, and Natacha Kennedy, lecturer in education at Goldsmiths, University of London, said they were “heartened” to see the “commitment to advancing the inclusion of trans and non-binary staff and students” because the “pushback” by gender critical academics “makes trans and non-binary students vulnerable.”

“The UCU motion rightly underscores the importance of creating HE cultures that are fully inclusive and safe spaces for work and learning for people of all genders,” they added.

But Jo Phoenix, who is taking the Open University, her former employer, to an employment tribunal over claims it failed to protect her from harassment on campus because of her views on sex and gender, predicted that more academics like her would quit the union as they no longer felt it served them, speculating that it was likely some could be considering starting an alternative union.

Professor Phoenix, now professor of criminology at the University of Reading, said academic freedom was the “primary cornerstone” of what it was to be an academic and argued that it was a “sad and sorry” state of affairs that some within UCU seemed prepared – as she saw it – to sacrifice this, particularly at a time when “academics are under such attack generally and their conditions are deteriorating”.

“A trade union is meant to protect all its members’ working conditions and this importantly includes freedom from harassment on the basis of one’s political beliefs,” she added.

The UCU spokesman said that “ministers and others should address the real problems in the sector,” rather than “pretend that defending the rights of the most marginalised constitutes a threat”.

“We are clear that the defence of trans and non-binary people is central to improving the conditions of all staff and students in post-16 education, and look forward to UCU’s 2022 congress reaffirming this position,” he added.

ZandathePanda · 13/05/2022 09:47

The UCU are worse than useless. My Dd should be graduating after 3 years of (understandable) disruption and £40k+ of debt. However just after they handed their honours projects in, the university informed them 1) they may not graduate or 2) they may graduate but it would be unclassified because the UCU are threatening a marking ban strike. This is happening in dozens of institutions. The lecturers either don’t want to strike or feel awful for backing action and are actually worried about money - they cant afford to strike.
So, my Dd went to look at what the UCU were saying about it. At look at the tweet Jo Grady puts out on the day they are told the above. An insult to students and lecturers.

UCU to “take a stand” against GC feminists?
Abhannmor · 13/05/2022 09:47

I was a Unison shop steward in the 90s. If I'd started a campaign to get people sacked my members would have voted me out promptly. Indeed it may have been safer for me to move to a different workplace.

MTCoffeePot · 13/05/2022 09:50

This agenda is really damaging. Jo Phoenix's former unit at the Open University was given the top rating in the OU in the Ref 2021.It also improved its overall ranking. Jo has tweeted:

"Imagine what we could've done if OpenUniversity had dealt w/ harassment & discrimination I (and GCN) faced."

twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1524697045755469824
I wonder how the unit will fare in future refs.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 13/05/2022 09:52

Depending on the university, they will probably find someone to mark things, and possibly it will be post-graduate researchers.
Lots of marking in lots of institutions is completed already.

Fingers crossed your daughter won't be too badly affected. They surely have to give her her grades at some point otherwise they haven't delivered on their contract.

ZandathePanda · 13/05/2022 09:52

…as my Dd said, there’s a hell of a lot more LGBTQ+ students who are very, very worried and in tears they’re not getting a degree now. What do they do in interviews for employment?

DomesticatedZombie · 13/05/2022 09:54

ZandathePanda · 13/05/2022 09:47

The UCU are worse than useless. My Dd should be graduating after 3 years of (understandable) disruption and £40k+ of debt. However just after they handed their honours projects in, the university informed them 1) they may not graduate or 2) they may graduate but it would be unclassified because the UCU are threatening a marking ban strike. This is happening in dozens of institutions. The lecturers either don’t want to strike or feel awful for backing action and are actually worried about money - they cant afford to strike.
So, my Dd went to look at what the UCU were saying about it. At look at the tweet Jo Grady puts out on the day they are told the above. An insult to students and lecturers.

Wow. That is Hunger Games stuff.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/05/2022 10:01

ZandathePanda · 13/05/2022 09:47

The UCU are worse than useless. My Dd should be graduating after 3 years of (understandable) disruption and £40k+ of debt. However just after they handed their honours projects in, the university informed them 1) they may not graduate or 2) they may graduate but it would be unclassified because the UCU are threatening a marking ban strike. This is happening in dozens of institutions. The lecturers either don’t want to strike or feel awful for backing action and are actually worried about money - they cant afford to strike.
So, my Dd went to look at what the UCU were saying about it. At look at the tweet Jo Grady puts out on the day they are told the above. An insult to students and lecturers.

Appalling on every level. Fundraiser for Mermaids?! @NecessaryScene has it spot on above.

WhereAreWeNow · 13/05/2022 17:49

UCU is a joke. They're aggressively pushing the TWAW agenda to the point of zealously hounding feminists out of the union and celebrating them being bullied out of their jobs. They support decriminalisation of prostitution (SWIW). They are calling members out on strike over and over again, to huge detriment to members and without any chance of winning. DH left over the Kathleen Stock incident. He was horrified by it all. Jo Grady is driving the union into the ground.

Mumteedum · 13/05/2022 18:03

I wish there was an alternative

SidewaysOtter · 13/05/2022 22:31

I wish there was an alternative too, or at least an alternative form of representation other than a Union.

I can’t believe UCU are pushing a voting strike (the institution for which I work didn’t vote for it, which is probably why I’ve not heard of it) - if nothing else, students won’t forget this. Those students may well go on to be PDRAs, lecturers etc and therefore the researchers and academic staff of tomorrow. Why piss off your future membership base?

As for a “pits and perverts” fundraiser in support of Mermaids, WTAF?

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SidewaysOtter · 13/05/2022 22:33

*a marking strike, not a voting strike.

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ExMachinaDeus · 13/05/2022 22:41

Surely the role of UCU (or indeed any Union) is to stand up for workers’ rights and not pursuing ideological vendettas.

well, quite. It’s fascistic and deeply anti-intellectual.

I am hanging in there as a member of UCU but only just.

TheBiologyStupid · 13/05/2022 23:28

From the THE article: Professor Phoenix, now professor of criminology at the University of Reading, said academic freedom was the “primary cornerstone” of what it was to be an academic and argued that it was a “sad and sorry” state of affairs that some within UCU seemed prepared – as she saw it – to sacrifice this, particularly at a time when “academics are under such attack generally and their conditions are deteriorating”.

“A trade union is meant to protect all its members’ working conditions and this importantly includes freedom from harassment on the basis of one’s political beliefs,” she added.

Absolutely spot on - I hope the UCU's members have the sense to reject this misguided and divisive motion.

TheBiologyStupid · 13/05/2022 23:38

tigerbird · 13/05/2022 09:00

Can anyone post the full text? I don’t have a subscription but am aghast to see this. After their treatment of Kathleen Stock my UCU membership is hanging by a thread anyway, and this might just be the last straw (if that’s not mixing metaphors too much….)

If you cut and paste a paywalled article's url/web address into the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine you should be able to access an archived copy (or archive it yourself if one hasn't been saved already). It's pretty straightforward to use.

web.archive.org/

ExMachinaDeus · 14/05/2022 17:02

I've retweeted someone else's tweet suggesting that this motion is disgraceful, and added my view that the UCU shouldn't be policing members' individual beliefs, and contrasting this motion with beliefs in other areas which are protected characteristics (eg religious beliefs with which I do not agree).

It's interesting to see who is liking/retweeting it - people I know in person.

We've talked in here (and in the Academic's Common Room area on MN) about how one can tell who amongst one's colleagues might be a feminist (I refuse to say "gender critical feminist" because being critical of gender is fundamental to feminism). I'm finding out! It's very heartening. Not that I'll act on the information, but it's just good to know that others whom I like & respect can see the totalitarian nature of the proposed motion.

MaudeYoung · 14/05/2022 19:53

"The UCU spokesman said that “ministers and others should address the real problems in the sector,” rather than “pretend that defending the rights of the most marginalised constitutes a threat."

Perhaps this UCU spokesMAN can define for the rest of us the EXACT nature of this "marginalisation" and the EXACT nature of the RIGHTS to which he refers?

I have never yet seen anyone define any of these aspects.

WandaWomblesaurus · 14/05/2022 19:58

And once they get rid of the GC people (that's a LOT of people they will be harassing out of their positions) - who will they turn on next? All the gay, lesbian and bi students.... all students of colour....