Gah fed up of gender everywhere

[Believerinbiology]

I'm in Ireland so there is the whole mess of gender and sex used interchangeably in law. There was also a push to replace sex with gender in the healthcare setting and initially people seemed to think it was the whole "oh its just more polite" and there was still only male and female categories but this is changing allowing other categories. I have stopped opening healthcare related research surveys (sent by healthcare professionals) as they asked for gender identity rather then sex which was particularly galling when looking at female specific issues or reasons for imbalance of participation in particular fields. Colleagues were told by ethics boards that they had to switch sex to gender for their research proposals to be accepted...in healthcare.

I just tried to book my 10 year old child into an event which is for ages 8 to 12 only and it asks gender: male/female/nonbinary/prefer not to say (oddly the adult version has other instead of nb).
There is no free text box or options to put sex. These are children, its so frustrating.

Sorry just venting as even when you are actively trying to avoid thinking about gender crap it creeps in to your day.

I do think more people are waking up to it. My very liberal friend said she'd been asked for her pronouns for a work meeting. She was completely bemused by it all!

My DD who's in y7 also thinks it's a load of old bobbins as do most of her friends. The kids who don't are considered to be the 'attention seekers'.

@noborisno
The med sec was genuinely bemused by my attitude. I know she was only doing her job but she continued to push me. After the first question of why do you want to know, is it necessary etc she told me I had to answer it because it was on the form. I said as we have already ascertained it's not needed for medical purposes and under GDPR, they should only be collecting data pertaining to my current medical treatment, why was I being asked. I was told well nobody else has ever complained, I said that point was irrelevant so could we just move on which she did. I explained to the doctor when I went in that I wasn't trying to be difficult but I didn't see the need to answer that question as it was meaningless. She just laughed and said everything has become a box ticking exercise and not to worry about it. I would be interested to know if the medical sec filled it in anyway.

Oooh Ethel I just had an inspired thought. My preferred pronoun is Queen, you must from now on all refer to me as Queen Holby - what a shame I'm taking a year off work so the only people I can tell this to are my children 😂

Why is the Mumsnet feminism sex and gender board so closed minded?

Every time I look on active threads there's a pin head, miserable person moaning about how the worlds gone mad and they can't believe people differentiate genders these days.

How about educate your kids, stop living in the 80s/90s and accept trans rights /gay rights/ stop poking your tiny head into other peoples business.

Thank you for your input.

However I take objection to my 7 year old son being confused by absolutely pointless questions, and then upset at the possibility someone thinks he might look like a girl, you know because he's 7 and they get upset over things easily 🤦🏻‍♀️

If gender is a social construct there is no need to know it. The same way I don't need to know if you live in a bungalow or a semi detached house, because that's your choice to live where you want, and it's your choice to be whatever gender you want to be. But it's really not crucial in day to day matters is it. So perhaps people should just stop asking about it all the time 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yanbu. I feel jaded by it all and absolutely unbelieving that people can't be so ignorant of the VERY OBVIOUS SERIOUS ISSUES if we get rid of sex and replace it with gender. It is so so tiresome and I'm full of admiration for the activists in groups like Womens Place UK who campaign with such bravery.

@Fearnecuptea because gender is being used erroneously on official forms to replace sex (biological sex) when it is biological sex which is pertinent to the information being sought (in this case medical). If other people wish to identify as non-binary or identify in a different gender to the one they were born in that is not the issue being discussed here.

Trans rights are not the same as gay and lesbian rights and can't be conflated with them so that is also irrelevant to this discussion.

Everyone has the right to be treated with dignity and respect, but telling the rest of the world to deny the importance of biological sex in certain situations is not helping the cause.

In the workplace I sign emails with my name (when working I work for local govt) no need for pronouns at all, so asking people to provide these is again unnecessary and appears to be paying lip service to trans-ideology.

Gender non-conformity should be embraced, that doesn't mean putting people into boxes and I've not come across anyone on this board that doesn't think that. It's quite the opposite; feminists are concerned about the regressive gender stereotyping from the trans ideology shared in some schools which suggests that girls that like to play with boys toys must actually be boys, and vice versa.

This is everyone's business, not other people's - people are losing their jobs for speaking truthfully about the importance of biological sex, children are being unnecessarily medicalised and not given the emotional and therapeutic support they need (there is a link between ROGD in teenage girls with other mental health issues and also with ASC). Women are being put at risk by predatory men who are identifying as transwomen in prisons.

Stop poking my head into other people's business?

The gender ideologists can go first and lead by example! When there's no poking into women's single sex spaces and removing women's words and language and choices and women getting raped in prisons and hospital wards I will be very, very glad to be able to go and do something better with my time.

So please, go ahead! Demonstrate how this amazing tolerance for others and accepting their rights and feelings is done!

And yeah, gay thanks. Fought for the rights you're helping get erased in your wonderful superiority!

Closed minded? Pin head? miserable? moaning? tiny head?

Thanks for popping by to show us how to #be kind

I haven't poked my tiny head into anybody's business and I am actively asking others do the same for me and my kids. These situations are asking about peoples beliefs when the information is not required or in fact obscures the needed information. I never ask about others beliefs, have taught my kids that they can believe what they like but cannot expect others to share their beliefs.

It was a child who pointed out that the Emperor had no clothes.

My dd (15j was struggling to get any work expected so she gave the form to her dad so she could do it at his work.

DH was completely bemused as there was a paragraph telling the child to tick the box for preferred gender and telling them they can use the toilets they identify with. At someone else's place of work.

Dh said that if it wasn't our own child he would not have taken her for work experience because of the ridiculous form.

But the poster has the chance to get ahead of the game, whereas parents of the current generation of late teens were blindsided.

I genuinely hope to raise a GC feminist son at this rate, single handily as a loan parent.

Pass me the broom, I'm about to defy gravity ladies 🧙🏻‍♀️🐈‍⬛

The usual tactics. ' You guys are old/ boring/ righwing.That's why you just don't get it'. Then trying to make this about gay rights when there's no connection. Be Kind. But not to 7 year old children.