Should I rejoin the Labour Party?

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With Keir Starmer's announcement that he will resign if given a fixed penalty notice there will be a new leadership election. I resigned from the LP when Starmer couldn't answer the 'woman question' so now I'm tempted to rejoin to support any of the Party who can come out and tell us how they will protect women's sex based rights. I need to check out the rules on length of membership though. Anyone thinking of doing the same?

No.

No. I voted for Starmer in the leadership election as he was the only one who didn't sign that ridiculous charter stating womens place was a hate group. If he does go I don't hold out much hope he'll be replaced by anyone better.

I voted Labour in the election last week with a held nose as I hate the tories so much but rejoining the party and paying them money each money is a step way to far for me.

I voted for Starmer as leader as well. Then he threw us under the bus. I'm not giving Labour my vote ever again now I know (which I didn't before) that most of them are idiots.

Starmer is just the front man-given the Koolaid quotes from Lammy, Rayner, Nandy et al I would hold fire before rejoining-and I would need a hell of lot of convincing that they had ditched the tin foil hats all round before changing that. As it stands the only one (so far as I am aware) to stand up for reality is Rosie Duffield, and we all know what a wonderful time she is having of it. Fuck em, twats, the lot of them.

I wouldn't tell anyone else what to do but I'm at the, 'Do what you like, I no longer care' stage of my break up with The Labour Party. It may not last forever but it's way too soon for a reconciliation.

No

but are you thinking the fine etc will happen?

Yes. Then be very loud about your opinions and votes.

I'm not. Not until there's a whole scale acknowledgment that it's wrong to silence over 50% of the population and this allegedly intelligent lawyer enables some open discussions about competing rights / demands, then zero chance.
While Starmer and the rest of them engage in toddler politics about this issue, refusing to engage and bullying women, they can FOTTFSOFATFOSM.

I understand all your points but think it's best to be on the inside trying to influence things. It will be a good opportunity to ask for a straight answer to a simple question.

I'm the same op. I'm srsly considering joining the sDP. I'm not aligned on everything by any stretch - Brexit particularly- but that's done, and I doubt Labour will have rejoining as policy any time soon. They're also mire keen on controlling immigration than I'd like (though I'm more interested than I was in left wing arguments for the same). But the point is - even if I was completely at odds with them on Brexit and immigration, neither issue even approaches the massive fucking first principles fundamental question of, you know, 'material reality: does it exist?'

That's.. that's everything really, isn't it?

And that's before we get to the question 'women: should they be allowed?'

Would you like to be allowed to be a woman?

If so, I wouldn't recommend it.

It does sound a bit back-to-front to say, "I disagree with your current position but I would like to give you some money in the hope that my one little vote is going to change things".
Labour is the only national political party to have never had an elected female leader. Why do you believe that things are suddenly going to get better (to coin a phrase) just because you wish it so?

I’m still a member. Just. Hanging in there.

Spoilt my ballot in the local elections & try to raise enough enthusiasm to attend meetings.

It’s a “no” for me and I honestly don’t know where to go.

Unfortunately, everyone 'hanging in there' is shoring up this bullshit. Sorry to say that but it's true. Leave, tell them why you've left, and vote for someone else.

Up to you but what has changed?. I advised a friend to vote for Starmer in the leadership election last time, as he was the only one of the leadership candidates not to sign the ridiculous declaration and then he came out with the ridiculous stuff about it not being right to say only women have a cervix.

“With Keir Starmer's announcement that he will resign if given a fixed penalty notice there will be a new leadership election.“

I don’t think that’s guaranteed at all.

Wes Streeting was full on Twaw but has been tacking back towards GC. Bit of an opportunist. Can't think of anyone else apart from Rosie . We'll actually, I'm sure Mr Ed is secretly GC. His dad Ralph was a Communist and therefore dialectical materialist as is his mum.

Hey lets join the tory party ! Change them from the inside. They might say they know what a woman is but they sure hate anyone poor, disabled or european.

Seriously: no. I joined after Starmer was made leader because he was the only one not to sign the stupid “everything is transphobic get out witches” pledge.

My view is that there remains a serious problem and the leadership is almost an irrelevance to that. Whoever is elected will be in hock to the members to a greater or lesser degree and nobody’s got the balls, or the money, or the inclination, to conduct polling to see how widespread trans rights support is in the membership, with a view to challenging the orthodoxy.

At CLP level (at least in London where I am) there seem always to be a small but vocal number of blue haired activists on the prowl for “transphobia” (defined as anything other than complete capitulation). That makes it hard to have the conversation even with other female activists you think might be sympathetic. It also means if you want to actually influence policy, say by getting elected as a delegate to the Women’s Conference, or the Conference Arrangement Committee, you in effect have to hide your views so those people will not oppose your nomination. The fear of being thought transphobic is so strong that any whiff of it would stop your branch or CLP supporting you.

There are GC LP members doing fringe events at Conference like the one Rosie spoke at, but in terms of influencing policy and manifesto content, I don’t think that helps. Massive public disapproval of policy from outside is more likely to effect change IMO.

Also (and I may come to regret this prediction) I don’t think he’ll get a FPN. There was a lot of pressure from the local
MP to reopen the investigation, aided and abetted by local Corbynites. As soon as the rumour started that Starmer might pledge to resign there was a great screeching handbrake turn because they suddenly realised if he goes, he might be replaced by a better public speaker/someone with more appeal, which doesn’t help the Tories, and (from the Corbynite perspective) someone more to the right of the party, now with an axe to grind.

So we have right, far left and (I assume!) Starmer’s team all not wanting him to get a FPN. The Durham police seem to have been pretty susceptible to pressure to re-open the investigation; I’d be amazed if they weren’t also influenced by the changing mood, to basically investigate and then say “nothing to see here.” They must know they’ve already got themselves in a right mess by appearing to meddle. They’ll want to get out asap, I suspect, not be dogged forever more by accusations they toppled a leader and deputy leader.

Labour need to do a hell of a lot more to convince me before I consider rejoining the party or even voting for them. There is no obvious leader anywhere in sight with the right credentials who will stand up for women. I'll wait.

Perhaps it should also be borne in mind that membership of the Labour Party is also an endorsement for all the extremely misogynistic trade unions. All the trade unions are on board with "gender identity" ideology, despite many whose dominant membership is composed of women.

There is no way any woman should be a member of the Labour Party. There has been several years now in which Labour and its trade unions have been advocating against women and their sex-based rights written in law. None of the Labour or trade union women members have been able to change anything.

T'was ever thus. It is no accident that Labour, with its trade unions, is the only party that was forced to resort to Women Only Shortlists.

Labour, in its current incarnation, is utterly anti-women.

The likes of Barbara Castle, Gwyneth Dunwoody, Betty Boothroyd, Clare Short, Mo Mowlem and many other remarkable women in Labour's history must be disgusted with the party in recent years.

This be on the inside thing has been mooted many many times, some people have in fact stayed in to fight the good fight.
You do you, but why would you pay money for that?
Genuine question, pay money that you earned to be erased/ignored/ muted?

You're all right of course but it breaks my heart to see the way the party has gone. I suppose I'm hoping against hope someone will come out and declare TW are not W.