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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

800 schools sent book on being "assigned at birth"

51 replies

ResisterRex · 07/05/2022 18:24

This is in The Times and also has been picked up by the Mail. The latter states you can check if your school has been sent what sounds like unscientific nonsense.

We must push back on this. If children are abused and they cannot be clear with anyone - including the police - that they tell which sex the abuser actually was eg because of features of the abuse, then abusers will get away with it. They have to be able to know which body parts belong to which sex.

And that's before you get to the damage we know is being done to mostly young lesbians, being encouraged to become unanchored from their sexed bodies. Helped along no doubt by lies like this. And it is lies to tell children they're "assigned at birth".

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/99226a02-cd58-11ec-bb1d-4e283d8ec187?shareToken=d7b627d0f12641b797e0354b0993a534

"What Does LGBT+ Mean? was published in October and is described as an educational book for children aged between 8 and 11 and written to be easy to use in the classroom. Its author is Olly Pike, director of the LGBT+ educational resource Pop’n’Olly; Mel Lane, a diversity campaigner; and her son, James Canning.

The book claims “people feel happier and included when their pronouns are respected” and includes definitions of those who identify as transgender, non-binary and intersex. On pronouns, it adds: “We can’t just assume pronouns. If you are not sure about another person’s pronouns, it is OK to politely ask.”

The book features all the LGBT+ flags, as well as suggested activities for pupils to try in school."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10792297/Book-sent-800-primary-schools-teaches-children-persons-sex-assigned.html
"On its website, the non-fiction book which was first published in October is described as being aimed at children aged eight to 11, upper KS2 and lower KS3 pupils.

'This book explores identity, assigned sex, gender, love, sexuality, discrimination, privilege, allyship, pride and more,' the website says.

'This is going to be a book that will make a big difference in the lives of countless young people.'

Helen Joyce from advocacy group Sex Matters said that nobody is 'assigned' a sex: 'I've given birth twice and both times I knew what sex the baby was at 20 weeks. It's just absurd,' she told The Times.

'How did we get to a place where teachers feel they can sit and say to some primary children, "Some people feel male, some feel female, some feel both and some feel neither"?'

Pop'n'Olly is also encouraging people to donate the LGBT+ book to primary schools across the UK and are offering a two-for-one deal on the donations.

You can even search for a primary school on their 'school finder' feature which lets you check if it has been sent a book already."

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Artichokeleaves · 07/05/2022 18:35

This is getting to be the bloody equivalent of all schools being sent bibles.

puffyisgood · 07/05/2022 18:36

yeah, it's really incredibly stupid and a bit of a bugbear of mine. "assigned at birth" has been really unhappy appropriated by the trans lobby from the debate around intersex people, where there might well often be quite a bit of fairly hardcore "assigning" to be done and/or where mistakes might be made. but for everyone else, sex is observed at birth, obviously.

WarriorNewAgain · 07/05/2022 18:39

With nipt tests you'll know the sex at 11 weeks (possibly earlier.)

WarriorNewAgain · 07/05/2022 18:40

Actually I think it's 8/9 weeks

WarriorNewAgain · 07/05/2022 18:41

Artichokeleaves · 07/05/2022 18:35

This is getting to be the bloody equivalent of all schools being sent bibles.

Yep.

Goes entirely against guidelines

WarriorNewAgain · 07/05/2022 18:42

You can even search for a primary school on their 'school finder' feature which lets you check if it has been sent a book already."

Useful... 🤨

Mandodari · 07/05/2022 19:02

puffyisgood · 07/05/2022 18:36

yeah, it's really incredibly stupid and a bit of a bugbear of mine. "assigned at birth" has been really unhappy appropriated by the trans lobby from the debate around intersex people, where there might well often be quite a bit of fairly hardcore "assigning" to be done and/or where mistakes might be made. but for everyone else, sex is observed at birth, obviously.

BabyCenter

Pregnancy
Health & Safety
When and how can I find out my baby's sex?
Kate Marple
By Kate Marple | animatedfactcheck Medically reviewed by Layan Alrahmani, M.D., ob-gyn | September 10, 2020
If you have a prenatal blood test (NIPT), you may be able to find out your baby's sex as early as 11 weeks of pregnancy. Ultrasounds may reveal sex organs by 14 weeks, but they aren't considered fully accurate until 18 weeks. If you have CVS at 10 weeks, the results will reveal your baby's sex by 12 weeks. If you have an amnio at 16 weeks, you can find out by 18 weeks. With IVF, you can find out the sex before you even transfer the embryos.

But sex is assigned by doctors at birth
How silly of me to think otherwise.

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/05/2022 19:14

Is it wrong to hope that they ended up binned after the photos were taken...

Someone had to see it was nonsense when Proof read right

TimesChairs · 07/05/2022 19:26

WarriorNewAgain · 07/05/2022 18:42

You can even search for a primary school on their 'school finder' feature which lets you check if it has been sent a book already."

Useful... 🤨

Where? Can you link please?

NitroNine · 07/05/2022 19:30

Here you go @TimesChairs 📚

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 07/05/2022 19:32

WarriorNewAgain · 07/05/2022 18:42

You can even search for a primary school on their 'school finder' feature which lets you check if it has been sent a book already."

Useful... 🤨

Yep. Just checked, luckily my dds' school hasn't been sent a book.

Justme56 · 07/05/2022 19:33

I read an article and the author stated that she wanted to make sure the book was factually correct? It is not factual it is ideological.

Monpetitjardin · 07/05/2022 19:38

I've just checked and my granddaughter's school is listed. I just hope they've had the sense to bin it.

lunar1 · 07/05/2022 19:39

I find that list of schools to be pretty creepy to be honest.

My children's sex was determined at conception, it has zero baring on how they dress, what they call themselves, who they choose to date or what hobbies/jobs they take up throughout their life.

I will always address someone as they request, just as I expect the same consideration. How anyone banging on about pronouns think they can force cis on us is beyond me!

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 07/05/2022 19:39

Justme56 · 07/05/2022 19:33

I read an article and the author stated that she wanted to make sure the book was factually correct? It is not factual it is ideological.

Ah yes, but in the authors mind it will be facts. It will be 'a fact' that some people are born in the wrong body / assigned the wrong sex at birth. It will be 'a fact' that sex is a spectrum, 'a fact' that women can have penises, 'a fact' that puberty blockers are harmless, etc etc etc.

The word 'fact' has been redefined as 'something I believe' in the same way that 'woman' has been redefined to 'someone who identifies as a woman'.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/05/2022 19:40

Transgender Trend have spotted this and identify how this is introducing queer theory to children and attempting to breach age appropriate boundaries for the youngest of children:

www.transgendertrend.com/olly-pike-popnolly-queer-theory-children/

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 07/05/2022 19:42

Pop n olly

working with all the usual suspects

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/05/2022 19:43

Monpetitjardin · 07/05/2022 19:38

I've just checked and my granddaughter's school is listed. I just hope they've had the sense to bin it.

Do you think there's a reason there is no " home finder " for all the nursing homes that have been sent literature. I mean its a bit age- ist to not think they are able to learn to be open minded , accepting etc like children can. Not very inclusive is it.

Why are they only sending to.primary schools is there a reason....🤔

DomesticatedZombie · 07/05/2022 19:50

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 07/05/2022 19:32

Yep. Just checked, luckily my dds' school hasn't been sent a book.

Had a look: While some areas seem to have been sent one copy of a particular book, I note that one school in the whole of Scotland has had huge amounts of books donated - 50, according to the website.

The school?

This one:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51617457

TimesChairs · 07/05/2022 19:51

Thank you @NitroNine

I find that list of schools to be pretty creepy to be honest.

Absofuckinglutely 😱

This has no place in primary schools. Have you seen the pictures of young primary school kids listening to 'Olly'? FFS.

TimesChairs · 07/05/2022 20:01

It's brainwashing kids to believe in repressive and controlling gender ideology. It's not age appropriate.

Cuck00soup · 07/05/2022 20:35

It is possible to have a blood test for Y chromosomes from 6 weeks of pregnancy. (Although annoying these are usually sold by private clinics as gender reveal).

Funnily enough in communities where males are prized, they know which pregnancies to terminate.

PurpleGoose · 07/05/2022 21:01

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 07/05/2022 19:42

Pop n olly

working with all the usual suspects

Just looked at the website. They seem to be 'mis-gendering' one of their own team (Jack - pronouns They/Them, but in the blurb about Jack, refers to "he"). If they can't even get the opening page of their own website correct, how can they write and publish an accurate book?

WhiteFire · 07/05/2022 21:38

The website spells Stockton as Stocken 😂

Anyway, all the schools in my LA have been sent "Kenny lives with Erica and Martina" I managed to find a video on YouTube of it.

In summary Kenny lives with his two Mum's, the world is very grey, then a new interracial couple move in, Kenny goes to welcome them and they have a colourful house and give Kenny some paints.

The other people in the street then come out and say that the new couple aren't welcome, shove them back in the house and build a big wall around the house. Kenny is very sad, but he then gets his paints out and paints his bike, kite and clothes. He then paints the other children. The adults are very cross, but Kenny tells then they are wrong. Everyone knocks the wall down but the new couple are gone. They then build a new wall with a rainbow and everyone welcome sign on it. The End.

I am not sure the end message is actually that great as the couple have still been driven out. It's a bit strange.

Anyway given the make up of my dc's school I would be very surprised if this saw the light of day there.

Musomama1 · 07/05/2022 21:40

Anyone successfully argued to get these books out of a primary school? Wondering about sending an email...