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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Keira Bell Appeal

64 replies

Signalbox · 05/05/2022 21:26

Just seen on Twitter that the Supreme Court have refused Keira's permission to appeal...

www.39essex.com/a-victory-for-gillick-competence/

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Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 06/05/2022 17:57

NotBadConsidering · 05/05/2022 23:51

Yes, they say “Children can always decide their own treatments for everything and anything because Gillick said so.”

Er, no. Not remotely.

Yes, this is what a lot of people say about this issue.

Whether they are deliberately pushing a false narrative or are just too thick to understand the simple principle of Gillick competence is anyone's guess.

Justtoshare · 06/05/2022 20:53

Thank you Keira 💐. It was a pleasure to contribute financially and you have done concerned parents and vulnerable children everywhere a great service.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/05/2022 21:01

Transgender Trend have a heartening article pointing out the world wide ramifications from Keira's initial judgement. The start of a rolling back of experimental treatment of children with governments / medical authorities all over the world stepping in to remove the influence of adult activist groups and to reinstate ethical, evidenced medical care for these vulnerable children.
While the harm done to date has been immense, we are finally seeing the first steps towards providing responsible health care for these children:

www.transgendertrend.com/supreme-court-decision-keira-bell-case-is-not-a-loss/

FemaleAndLearning · 06/05/2022 22:36

Kiera has done amazing things she is wonderful. Thank you to previous posters for the summaries of the huge worldwide changes Bell v Tavistock has made. And massive thanks to Kiera 💐

I hope Mrs A has been able to protect her autistic child, does anyone know?

jenny5000 · 06/05/2022 23:33

Thank you Keira. You are a ⭐️

Signalbox · 07/05/2022 08:01

Update from Keira Bell…

Keira Bell
May 5, 2022

SUPREME COURT DECISION

Hey everybody,

We have received news that the Supreme Court has denied permission for us to appeal the Court of Appeal decision. We have simply been informed that there is no arguable point of law to be resolved by the Court.

This is of course disappointing news that the Supreme Court seemingly feels similarly to the Court of Appeal in that the protection of these children is not their responsibility. Yet the horrifying facts that the High Court found are still deeply disturbing - such as children as young as 12 are being put on this harmful pathway via ‘puberty blockers’ and that 98% of children who are given puberty blockers proceed further down the line with cross-sex hormones.

Despite the shock that this has not been taken further in the courts, I am overjoyed at the positive changes that have happened and are currently underway since the ground-breaking High Court findings…

The NHS corrected its guidance, reflecting the true unknown nature of puberty blockers.
The pioneers of the ‘Dutch Protocol’ (affirmative approach) cautioned healthcare providers on ‘blindly adopting’ their research.
Sweden & Finland has ceased using the ‘Dutch Protocol’ as its main approach.
Prominent ‘trans care’ providers & WPATH members (including the doctor who operated on Jazz Jennings) have admitted that how children are being treated in this area is concerning and have hinted that the WPATH guidelines are dogmatic.
NICE reported on the very limited evidence base for puberty blocking treatment.

The NHS announced an independent review of ‘Gender Identity Services’ by Dr Hilary Cass. The interim report states that these services are “not a safe or viable long-term option” for children and young people.
The UK health secretary is preparing to launch an inquiry into this type of treatment amidst concerns that the system is "failing children" and inevitably more and more people negatively affected by this affirmation approach, like me, are speaking out.

I feel optimistic that the general public is waking up to this horror and that the (often deliberate) misinformation (and politicisation) that has overpowered this topic for so long is now losing its grip. I hope that dialogue on this issue only opens up further and that the myriad of factors contributing to why children are attending these clinics in the first place are given more attention by everyone and society as a whole.

The Court of Appeal’s judgement also warns clinicians about the risks of providing this controversial treatment without properly obtaining informed consent. It stated:

“We should not finish this judgment without recognising the difficulties and complexities associated with the question of whether children are competent to consent to the prescription of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. They raise all the deep issues identified in Gillick, and more. Clinicians will inevitably take great care before recommending treatment to a child and be astute to ensure that the consent obtained from both child and parents is properly informed by the advantages and disadvantages of the proposed course of treatment and in the light of evolving research and understanding of the implications and long-term consequences of such treatment. Great care is needed to ensure that the necessary consents are properly obtained. As Gillick itself made clear, clinicians will be alive to the possibility of regulatory or civil action where, in individual cases, the issue can be tested.”

Everyone, I sincerely thank you SO MUCH for your moral & financial support throughout this process. This honestly couldn’t have happened without you. I wish everyone and their families who have also been affected by this well. It was unbeknown to me how big this case would become & how many people would become aware of such private and sensitive aspects of my life and past. However, the outcome of all of this has made it worth it and I am thankful. Change doesn’t happen overnight.

Thanks again and thank you to Mrs A, my co-claimant,
& our legal team, Sue Evans who was the original claimant before me, TransgenderTrend, Genspect and everyone who has stood up fearlessly and remained dignified and compassionate.

I still have legal costs to cover (my own legal team and the Tavistock’s). Many people have given so generously. If you can make one final donation that would be hugely appreciated.

LOVE.
Update 6
Keira Bell
Oct. 4, 2021

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ScreamingMeMe · 07/05/2022 08:26

nauticant · 06/05/2022 09:55

For when the post is deleted, the slur is to imply a connection between Keira Bell and the "white supremacist movement". "Imply" because the poster appears too cowardly to say what they mean.

Keira is mixed race. Make it make sense!

ScreamingMeMe · 07/05/2022 08:27

TRAs are indeed desperate to 'prove' that the GC movement is inherently anti-abortion. Katy Montgomerie is currently writing a blog post on it, so look forward to that!

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 07/05/2022 08:38

ScreamingMeMe · 07/05/2022 08:27

TRAs are indeed desperate to 'prove' that the GC movement is inherently anti-abortion. Katy Montgomerie is currently writing a blog post on it, so look forward to that!

A lot of TRAs, particularly Katy, are going in hard with this angle at the moment.

They would be better off spending their time coming up with actual arguments as to why male rapists should be housed in female prisons and why kids should be pumped full of powerful life changing drugs.

Not least because you really don't have to look very hard to find people on 'their side' who have absolutely abhorrent views on women and children, so it's all a bit of a non starter really.

FemaleAndLearning · 07/05/2022 08:56

Anti abortion and anti gay apparently. I think it shows their tactics and how desperate they are to defame gender critical women without bringing any evidence for their own arguments to the debate. Name calling is another tactic.

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redlabelteabag · 07/05/2022 09:27

JKR is getting quite a bit of grief from US followers who are pro-life unfortunately.

redlabelteabag · 07/05/2022 09:28

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ScreamingMeMe · 07/05/2022 10:12

JKR setting KM straight.

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Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 07/05/2022 10:27

Katy's angle on this issue is no different to a white person going on and on at black people about how terrible racism is and how much they care about racism and how that makes them so much better than black people.

In fact the actual equivalent to this would be a white person colouring their skin dark, dressing as a 'stereotypical black person' and constantly talking about issues of racism, and then telling certain black people that they are awful people because they don't care about racism enough.

How dare Katy do this. Its nothing to do with Katy, they have no stake in this issue at all. Katy can, at best, declare that they support a woman's right to choose, and that's it. But to weaponise this issue of abortion as a way to get at women is disgusting.

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