Dave Chappelle attacked on stage in Los Angeles

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61317901

I read that the attacker was carrying a replica gun that shoots a knife blade. I assume like a flick knife type thing rather than it shooting the knife a distance. There are lots of them for sale online, even on ebay, so not a hard thing to find. It makes me wonder if the attacker had planned to attack Chappelle and hold him at 'gun point' in front of the audience.

As for Chappelle's remarks and even actions immediately afterwards, while I don't approve of physically attacking the attacker and some of the jokes can be argued to be in bad taste. I find it hard to judge someone in the immediate aftermath of being attacked by someone with a deadly weapon. Chris Rock was amazingly restrained after Will Smith's attack. And that was after being slapped. If someone threw you to the ground, kept trying to hurt you and then you saw they had brought a gun/knife with the likely intent to kill or at least maim you, I kind of give you a pass for lashing out and making a few poor taste jokes in the following 90 seconds.

If someone lunged at me with a knife I’d kick the shit out of them too and any court in the land would deem that to be a proportionate and appropriate response.

Wanderingowl · 04/05/2022 23:38
I read that the attacker was carrying a replica gun that shoots a knife blade. I assume like a flick knife type thing rather than it shooting the knife a distance

thank you! That at least makes a little more sense

If someone lunged at me with a knife I’d kick the shit out of them too and any court in the land would deem that to be a proportionate and appropriate response.

Ten people kicking and punching someone while he's on the ground (and after he'd tried to run away) cannot possibly be an act of self-defence so what legal justification could any court of law accept for it?

If someone threw you to the ground, kept trying to hurt you and then you saw they had brought a gun/knife with the likely intent to kill or at least maim you, I kind of give you a pass for lashing out and making a few poor taste jokes in the following 90 seconds.

Yep. I don't get why people are defending the attacker. Is DARVO an instinctive response in some humans?

@hallouminatus
The perpetrator was carrying a replica gun, I doubt those trying to restrain him had enough time to assess if it was real or a replica or if they had any other weapons. They may have been heavy handed but I am finding it very difficult to have any sympathies for someone who attended an event, with a weapon and the intention to cause harm to another.

Same here, and I abhor violence. I can see why they wanted to make sure he was not going to get back up.

Some people seem unable to admit that something bad happening to someone they don't like or disagree with is a bad thing. It's a very concerning state of affairs.

Once the attacker was disarmed and on the ground, there was no need to 'stomp' on anyone. Defense and disarming are one thing; gleeful encouragement of revenge is by far another.

This is simply the premise on which we don't allow police to kick fuck out of people because they are 'baddies'.

Some speculation that Madonna might be one of us witches.

(I'm not up to speed enough on American culture to know whether signalling support for Chappelle can be taken as a declaration of GC beliefs or any number of other things.)

twitter.com/Yourladybrain/status/1522106921691631617

Everyone needs this gif from the replies: twitter.com/_questionmore/status/1522261270157737984

Madonna might just be supporting Chappelle after his attack.

Ah yes - the attack that apparently wasn’t a felony 🤨

Honestly, the BBC coverage of that decision is shocking. The wider context is absolutely crucial - reading that you’d think it was a perfectly usual decision. Whether it’s simply ”just” journalism or the author was deliberately concealing the truth, the BBC has no business putting it out.

When Linda Bellos was asked what she would do if a trans person attacked her, she replied that she would robustly defend herself. As a result, she was taken to court, and the stress of the whole process (the case was dismissed) caused her to have a stroke.

The TRAs I have seen over the years have been extraordinarily violent - in words and sometimes in deeds. There's a special subsection that like to talk about sadistic sexual violence too. Journalist Jesse Singhal recently experienced this.

Good god.

A misdemeanour?! After seeing the knife/gun, I'm surprised it wasn't attempted murder.

Regular posters may remember the current LA DA from the Hannah Tubbs case.

Gascón is absolutely right there’s a desperate need for massive reform of the US prison-industrial complex, but he’s gone at it without any thought & without any nuance. Using juvenile court for people up to 25 helps get round mandatory minimums - though not the 3 strikes law. He seems to want to go from the one extreme to the other in terms of sentencing, clinging to the idea that Prison Is Bad And Does Not Work - so the answer is for criminals to spend as little time there as possible. His remit doesn’t include the desperately-needed prison reformation (it’s perhaps not surprising that a society with remarkably Victorian values/attitudes - notably, including the belief poor people actively choose to be poor - carry them into their provisions for/treatment of prisoners) so he’s trying to make change by keeping people out of prison or ensuring they’ll spend less time there.

I’m opposed to both mandatory minimums & 3-strike laws. I think there are excellent arguments for extending the upper age that’s dealt with by juvenile court from 18 to 25 - but that young adults don’t belong in juvenile facilities. However, there also needs to be flexibility. Making stupid choices shouldn’t land you in prison for life; sexually assaulting a wee girl in the ladies’ loos, however, shouldn’t get you two years locked up with vulnerable girls.

I did not know Linda had had a stroke, bloody hell. And Allison collapsed. This stuff is not without consequences for the victims.

Why is there no picture of the attacker? Sure as shit if someone came at me with a gun / knife I would fight like an animal.

There are a lot of photos of Isiah Lee included in the press coverage - obviously in the picture of him in court he has most of his face covered; & in the photos from the night he’s rather bloody; but this New York Post article, for example, includes a nice clear picture.