Scottish Tory leader - a transwoman is a 'female who has changed sex not gender'

[DomesticatedZombie]

Well, that's a refreshing take.

I think he's arguing for single sex spaces. Or the complete opposite.

twitter.com/BBCScotNine/status/1519041454613610498

• but based on the manifesto promise for single sex spaces, the Scottish Tories look like they will be supporting women's sex based rights.

Newsreader: 'Is a transwoman a woman?'
Douglas Ross: 'No'.

www.scottishconservatives.com/manifestos/local-election-manifesto/

'Many women have raised legitimate
concerns about their rights and safety
following the publication of the SNP
Government’s Gender Reform Bill. We
believe that these concerns should
be heard and acted upon rather than
dismissed. Scottish Conservative
councillors will seek to ensure that
there are single-sex spaces available
in all council-run facilities, including
schools, parks and swimming pools.'

I'm really confused, the tweet says ""Is a trans woman a woman?" "No. She is a male who has changed her sex but she has not changed her gender" so the thread title is misleading, as is the politician's attempt to explain this!!

Sorry, Fenlandia.

He's made a bit of a muddle of his answer.

But that is what he said. A transwoman has changed sex not gender.

I htink he's just got confused. The manifesto, however, seems pretty clear.

As ever, the language is confusing.

It illustrates some of the problem quite well. Many, many people still struggle to understand wtf is even being discussed.

Tbf, Douglas Ross is easy to confuse.

Someone hand the man a biology textbook.

🤣🤣.oops

A liar needs a good memory and all that.

When you lie you always slip up. This is what happens when you outsource your thinking

I’m so confused. You can’t change your biological sex, but the GENDER recognition act does change your legal sex to acknowledge your gender, even though gender is also fluid?

Call a cab, I’m done.

Be fair - all the language around this is confusing. If you are "transsexual" then you have "gender reassignment surgery". And a large chunk of "Material Women" is just teasing apart the different possible meanings of the words "sex" and "gender".

He means a transwoman (ie a man) is a 'female who has changed gender not sex', surely

Anyway, don't be fooled by a few words by the Tories. This madness has happened on their watch and so far there's been FA of any substance from them to change legislation or policy. This is all for show with the local elections coming up.

I agree the language around all this is confusing - it's almost like that's been designed in by TRAs. I think there's still lots of people who think a transwoman is a female transitioning to male, not to mention the widespread perception that all or nearly all trans people go for hormones and surgery, without realising that 'trans' can mean weekend cross-dressers now according to Stonewall.

Well, given that it’s impossible to change sex, isn’t he saying that trans women are therefore not women?

What I believe he meant to say is a transwoman is a male who has changed gender but not sex.

It's enough for me. I'll vote for them on Thursday, given there's no other parties standing up for single sex spaces. Certainly not something I've ever done, or even considered, up until this point. But Nicola Sturgeon's performance the other day means I cannot in good conscience put an x in a box next to any SNP candidate.

I think what Ross is saying is, "I've been told this issue is a Vote Winner, but I can't be arsed to actually learn anything about it, or even learn my crib notes."

Ha, apt cross-post with DomesticatedZombie.

I have no idea what he's on about.

Neither does he - but he’s been told that some people are falling for their BS so to crack on and say a shed load of words about what it means to be a woman (or transwoman, he’s not quite sure…) whilst not actually doing anything to correct their fuck ups on the issue.

Scottish Conservative councillors will seek to ensure that there are single-sex spaces available in all council-run facilities

That's actually quite clear.

Which is fine if the manifesto really means sex, but not if like Ross they've switched sex with gender.

I'm inclined to hope someone involved in the manifesto does know what they're talking about.

Douglas Ross clearly doesn't.

Given that we're talking about Scotland, this mess hasn't happened on "their watch" at all. The SNP are responsible.

I thought a TW's gender was supposedly always 'woman', so there is a logic to saying a person doesn't change their gender.
If they've changed their body to be in line with their gender (whatever that means) then someone might think that means their physical sex has changed in some way.

Basically if you are trans, your gender is the innate gender you were born with, and your sex is the biological sex you were born with, so nothing actually changes or transitions. This is what has always puzzled me!
Unless you think 'gender' means clothes, appearance etc, but you'd be wrong - that's 'gender expression'.