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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Women in Female Sports: A Sports Scientist's Take

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itsmeagainlol · 29/04/2022 19:58

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/972250?uac=231210SV&faf=1&sso=true&impID=4194802&src=mkm_ret_220428_mscpmrk_trdalrtuk018_int

Hopefully it loads. Total commonsense. Either male of female sports or lets just lump everyone in together and have done with it.

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ivykaty44 · 29/04/2022 20:03

I wonder why trans woman want to be woman when all they want to do is beat woman over the head and demonise them. If woman speak up they are transphobic for saying that its unfair to have trans woman compete in sport.

IcakethereforeIam · 29/04/2022 20:14

We're the gysophila to their lilies.

nepeta · 29/04/2022 20:39

ivykaty44 · 29/04/2022 20:03

I wonder why trans woman want to be woman when all they want to do is beat woman over the head and demonise them. If woman speak up they are transphobic for saying that its unfair to have trans woman compete in sport.

Some seem to want to be the best (fastest, prettiest, most admired etc.) woman in the world, and that means beating everybody else.

It's identifying as women but not with women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/04/2022 21:01

We're the gysophila to their lilies.

Great analogy!

nepeta · 29/04/2022 21:05

It's a clear article.

All I would have added when the interview is about the rare wingspan of Michael Phelps (the idea that rare genetic talents always exist in sports and we should view trans women in that light) is that those rare genetic gifts are rare. Possessing male advantage because of having experienced male puberty is not at all rare. Roughly half of all people might claim it.

Many sports were segregated by sex for that very reason. If we ignore the average sex differences by deciding that 'women' is a pure abstract identity and that women can be of either biological sex, then there are no grounds for keeping women's and men's sports separate at all.

As an aside, the three standards Tucker mentions in that article: fairness, inclusion, and safety, are also applicable to many other things we debate here, including single sex prisons, refuges, toilets, changing rooms etc. And the first two standards (fairness to women and inclusion of trans people) should BOTH be though about in general policies. Currently it's just inclusion that gets stressed.

NotBadConsidering · 29/04/2022 21:53

Great article, really sums it up well, will be a good link to send people.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 29/04/2022 21:53

How did I guess that Ross Tucker would be involved and would discuss this in wholly measured and appropriate terms.

Helleofabore · 29/04/2022 22:14

I have noticed Ross Tucker getting less patient and more direct with people lately. The number of people sealioning using the same questions he has answered so many times, because they think they have the ultimate gotcha is remarkable.

Particularly this past week after Dr Ada Cheung was involved with a rather dodgy article in ‘The Age’ in Australia using ‘facts’ that were immediately apparent to be poorly interpreted or chosen to be very biasedly represented. Cheung never did come back to answer the paucity of her ‘facts’.

Peregrina · 30/04/2022 07:33

This is well explained. I particularly liked his example of using a power assisted bike. No, he wouldn't win the Tour de France without it, and he still wouldn't be good enough to win with one, but to say that it doesn't give an advantage is clearly not true.

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