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Big update on Rape Crisis legal challenge

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IamSarah · 29/04/2022 13:29

I know many of you have been waiting for an update so first of all thank you for your patience and the many messages of support.

I am suing Survivors Network, the Sussex Rape Crisis service, as it refused to offer a single sex women’s group in addition to the mixed sex women’s groups. By mixed sex I mean inclusive of any males who identify as women.

I’ve been granted anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the case and it was submitted to Brighton County Court today.

I am being represented by law firm Didlaw and my Barrister is Naomi Cunningham (Chair of Sex Matters). So far they have acted pro bono which I am incredibly grateful for as it has taken a lot of time. The team are confident I have a good case but this is unchartered territory for women’s rights.

Many of you have very kindly offered to be involved and help with gardening. I don’t think I’m allowed to share details on here so please go to my Twitter page http://twitter.com/SarahSurviving/ which has all the info in a pinned post.

Of you’re not on Twitter feel free to send me a DM for more information on how you can help the case. Any publicity you can give the crowd funder would really help.

Thank you everyone.

Sarah x

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 30/07/2022 12:13

Coming up on payday so shall chip in.

AtrociousCircumstance · 30/07/2022 13:38

When this period of history is reviewed in years to come, your name will be amongst those who stood up and fought this madness, Sarah ❤️

IamSarah · 30/07/2022 15:45

AtrociousCircumstance · 30/07/2022 13:38

When this period of history is reviewed in years to come, your name will be amongst those who stood up and fought this madness, Sarah ❤️

Not sure about that but hopefully women will have the option of single sex rape crisis therapy.

I couldn't do it without the gardeners, sharers and supporters. Thank you so much everyone.

Looks like we're nearly over the line Flowers

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BloodyCamping · 30/07/2022 20:09

Great news!

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 31/07/2022 11:57

Donated again: I salute your bravery so much. This shouldn’t be the fight you have to fight.

Boiledbeetle · 31/07/2022 23:41

@IamSarah celebrating my birthday in style, I've just spent my birthday money.

You're there 💐

Boiledbeetle · 01/08/2022 03:52

Good morning Sarah,

As I'm currently awake, thanks to furry creatures bringing smaller live furry creatures in through the cat flap I thought I'd get this down now so you've got something to read with your cuppa and toast.

This year it's a milestone birthday for me, one I never imagined I would reach.

I am only here now because I had access to therapy and support from my local SARC. With them I finally had the space and the safety that enabled me to voice all my internal thoughts and issues and worries out loud without fear.

It was those sessions where I first began to really make sense of and come to terms with the sexual abuse, the grooming, the secrets, the rapes. I had spent years denying that it had had any effect on me. Yet through the SARC I had a safe single sex space to say out loud all the secrets I'd kept locked away in my head for decades. It gave me the ability to start to piece all those bits of stuff trapped in my head into coherent linear thoughts. It helped me realise that things I'd blamed myself for were not my burdens to carry.

They contacted my doctor when I couldn't bring myself to. They helped me navigate telling my siblings. They helped me realise the shame and the guilt and the blame I had for years put on myself was not my shame, that I had no reason to feel guilty, and I was most certainly definitely not to blame. They helped me see that things that to me were seemingly not connected had in fact been very much connected to the sexual abuse.

They were amazing, they actually supported me for the whole of the two years it took my case to get to trial.

Could I have done all that knowing that potentially every session I might be walking into the situation you found yourself in?

Nope! Not a bloody chance!

As I said in a previous comment what they expect you to go through is like being sexually abused all over again. "sit down, shut up, behave like I told to and let that scary man over there do what he likes and don't you dare complain about it later". How can Survivors Network, the Sussex Rape Crisis Service, not see that they have turned into an abusers facilitator?

Thanks to my ability to access therapy I am at a point in my life where the best birthday present I can think of is to ensure that other women, and yes I do mean JUST women, can access a single sex space in a rape crisis centre and it truly mean single sex. That this should even be up for discussion, never mind being fought over legally is an absolute disgrace.

And finally one little titbit that will put a smile on your face...

This donation , the donation that got you that last little step to the £75000 pledge point was actually paid for in part by the Trans Rights Activists.

To the TRA brigade that like to whinge on about how we are all wasting our money, and how if it was you you'd spend it on better more important things, you'll be delighted to know you've just donated to Sarah's fundraiser, Yay! Go you TRAs!

It's your money I've just donated as it's part of my criminal injury compensation from when my rapist was found guilty. So thank you TRAs for paying your taxes that paid my compensation that is now paying Sarah's legal fees. Your participation in this fundraiser is much appreciated.

What's that TRAs You don't believe me...

"The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) was set up to provide compensation to blameless victims of crime. Funded by the Ministry of Justice USING TAXPAYERS' MONEY the CICA can award settlements from £1,000 up to a maximum of £500,000" .

So Sarah, enjoy today, be proud of what you've achieved. Know that in the dark and difficult moments when you feel like it's all too much and you're wondering why the fuck did you decide to do this that you have thousands of pissed off women willing you on.

You are not alone in your fight. We are right there standing by your side.

Boiled x

Rightsraptor · 01/08/2022 04:06

@Boiledbeetle , I'm so sad reading your story but very glad to hear you've been able to turn your life around now. 💗

Happy to see Sarah has reached her target! Great news. We absolutely must have services for women only & the funding of these services by any government organisation should be contingent upon that. It's outrageous that it isn't.

Now to try to get back to sleep - I don't even have the excuse of small furry animals for being awake. Damn insomnia.

IamSarah · 01/08/2022 07:46

Oh goodness @Boiledbeetle

You have me sobbing into my morning cuppa. Thank you so much for sharing your story and for that last bit of gardening that got me over the line.

I'm so sorry for what you went through and glad you had a safe, single sex space to heal from the trauma.

To everyone who has worked on the garden. Thank you for trusting me Flowers

I promise to try my absolute best to win this. Fighting the patriarchy is tough and I can't promise I will succeed but I can promise to do everything in my power to help women and girls secure the single sex rape crisis groups that we deserve.

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Artichokeleaves · 01/08/2022 14:55

<stands up and applauds>

Redshoeblueshoe · 01/08/2022 15:21

BoiledBeetle your post had me in tears, and your action was very generous

ScreechingEchoChamber · 01/08/2022 15:38

Flowers Boiledbeetle, and for you, Sarah. We're all with you.

Waitwhat23 · 01/08/2022 20:55

You are not alone in your fight. We are right there standing by your side.

100%. Brilliant that you've achieved the total, Sarah!

And love to you Boiled

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/08/2022 21:03

What a hopeful thread and Flowers for you Boiledbeetle Thank you both for sharing with this community of women.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 02/08/2022 15:47

Delighted that you have reached the total! Is more gardening still needed - bigger shrubs maybe?

Flowers for @Boiledbeetle and @IamSarah

TheBestBitch · 02/08/2022 15:51

Boiledbeetle · 01/08/2022 03:52

Good morning Sarah,

As I'm currently awake, thanks to furry creatures bringing smaller live furry creatures in through the cat flap I thought I'd get this down now so you've got something to read with your cuppa and toast.

This year it's a milestone birthday for me, one I never imagined I would reach.

I am only here now because I had access to therapy and support from my local SARC. With them I finally had the space and the safety that enabled me to voice all my internal thoughts and issues and worries out loud without fear.

It was those sessions where I first began to really make sense of and come to terms with the sexual abuse, the grooming, the secrets, the rapes. I had spent years denying that it had had any effect on me. Yet through the SARC I had a safe single sex space to say out loud all the secrets I'd kept locked away in my head for decades. It gave me the ability to start to piece all those bits of stuff trapped in my head into coherent linear thoughts. It helped me realise that things I'd blamed myself for were not my burdens to carry.

They contacted my doctor when I couldn't bring myself to. They helped me navigate telling my siblings. They helped me realise the shame and the guilt and the blame I had for years put on myself was not my shame, that I had no reason to feel guilty, and I was most certainly definitely not to blame. They helped me see that things that to me were seemingly not connected had in fact been very much connected to the sexual abuse.

They were amazing, they actually supported me for the whole of the two years it took my case to get to trial.

Could I have done all that knowing that potentially every session I might be walking into the situation you found yourself in?

Nope! Not a bloody chance!

As I said in a previous comment what they expect you to go through is like being sexually abused all over again. "sit down, shut up, behave like I told to and let that scary man over there do what he likes and don't you dare complain about it later". How can Survivors Network, the Sussex Rape Crisis Service, not see that they have turned into an abusers facilitator?

Thanks to my ability to access therapy I am at a point in my life where the best birthday present I can think of is to ensure that other women, and yes I do mean JUST women, can access a single sex space in a rape crisis centre and it truly mean single sex. That this should even be up for discussion, never mind being fought over legally is an absolute disgrace.

And finally one little titbit that will put a smile on your face...

This donation , the donation that got you that last little step to the £75000 pledge point was actually paid for in part by the Trans Rights Activists.

To the TRA brigade that like to whinge on about how we are all wasting our money, and how if it was you you'd spend it on better more important things, you'll be delighted to know you've just donated to Sarah's fundraiser, Yay! Go you TRAs!

It's your money I've just donated as it's part of my criminal injury compensation from when my rapist was found guilty. So thank you TRAs for paying your taxes that paid my compensation that is now paying Sarah's legal fees. Your participation in this fundraiser is much appreciated.

What's that TRAs You don't believe me...

"The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) was set up to provide compensation to blameless victims of crime. Funded by the Ministry of Justice USING TAXPAYERS' MONEY the CICA can award settlements from £1,000 up to a maximum of £500,000" .

So Sarah, enjoy today, be proud of what you've achieved. Know that in the dark and difficult moments when you feel like it's all too much and you're wondering why the fuck did you decide to do this that you have thousands of pissed off women willing you on.

You are not alone in your fight. We are right there standing by your side.

Boiled x

I'm sorry for what you went through, thank you for sharing it. You're right, that we even have to argue about this is almost beyond belief.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/08/2022 16:44

Does anyone have any news or updates? Is there a need for more gardening?

I'm anxiously watching for the case to move on, and hoping all is well with you Sarah Flowers

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/08/2022 16:49

Hope that everything's looking more positive Sarah, especially in the light of Suella Braverman's speech this week. I read this on another thread and it very clearly spells out the legal situation for single sex spaces and how as soon as a male (no matter how they identify) is present, the space becomes mixed sex:

gordondangerfield.com/2022/08/12/why-single-sex-female-services-are-not-for-biological-males/

IamSarah · 15/08/2022 07:07

Hello @AmaryllisNightAndDay

We were due to get the defence statement back from Survivors Network's legal team this week but they have asked for an extension to 31st August. Maybe because of summer holidays. Maybe because they need a stronger defence than 'TWAW'. I will update when this has been received and if I am allowed to share the details I will.

Thank you @MrsOvertonsWindow yes it does appear that Suella Braverman directly supported my case which is great news. However there were other parts of the same speech I thought were problematic. WPUK sum it up really well in this blog post:

womansplaceuk.org/2022/08/11/attorney-general-affirms-sex-based-rights/

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/08/2022 09:36

Hi @IamSarah thank you so much for the update. I always feel a bit worried about asking, you must have so much on your plate. Sorry about the delay to the case, hope it isn't adding stress. And it's good news that "TWAW" doesn't seem to count as a valid legal argument.

Anyway let us know if you need more planting done. I am keeping a trowel and a small tub of compost ready!

Ramblingnamechanger · 15/08/2022 09:47

So glad target reached. We are waiting for more news, and thanking you for what you are doing, although sorry you are the one having to do this. I don’t understand why SN has not back down and rethought their policy after your challenge. Wishing you all the best.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/08/2022 11:40

I don’t understand why SN has not back down and rethought their policy after your challenge.

I have thought that so many times, about so many things.

I very much blame the EHRC. They have been passive and hopeless. If EHRC had tackled Edinburgh Rape Crisis when they appointed a transwoman to a job that was advertised as women-only, even if they just published a clarification of what the law says and what it means, that would have made such a difference to so many other organisations. One of the reasons EHRC gave for doing nothing was because Edinburgh Rape Crisis was a small organisation. Well so are most of these organisations. No-one wants to drag them through the courts so they need proper guidance about how to interpret the Equality Act.

A lot of funding comes with "be inclusive" as a condition. I don't blame SN for trying to be "inclusive" and for failing to understand that for this purpose TW and women can't always be treated as exactly the same.The legal arguments are tricky and do my head in. Hence guidance, as has now been given to schools by the Attorney General.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/08/2022 11:41

Oh, and I am so sorry you are having to do this @IamSarah and so grateful that you are!

IamSarah · 15/08/2022 12:21

Thank you for the support, and please always ask if you have any questions. I check this thread regularly and will always reply.

Thank you so much for the gardening offer too, my lawyers say it's difficult to judge how much gardening will be needed but thanks to the hard work of many on this board I think we are pretty much there Flowers

Re Survivors Network backing down, absolutely no sign of that. They plan to 'vigorously defend' the allegations.

This was one of the banners they chose to March with at Brighton Pride. They proudly displayed it on Instagram too.

Males in women's rape crisis meetings is 'hot'.

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DarkDayforMN · 15/08/2022 12:37

This was one of the banners they chose to March with at Brighton Pride

WTF!!!!!

How did it not occur to them that feminists and rape survivors, the group they’re supposed to be advocating for, may have mixed feelings about being “hot.”

and as for the “trans inclusive” bit… well, who, exactly, is that “hot” for?

(no one answer that. I know the answer, and it’s foul beyond words.)

Sarah, I hope you properly wallop them in court. But no matter how it goes, thank you for taking this on.

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