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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kathleen Stick on The Family Sex Show

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IcakethereforeIam · 24/04/2022 14:39

kathleenstock.substack.com/p/know-your-enemy?r=7vxvx&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Hope the link works. It's to Kathleen Stock's substance 8f it doesn't.

Good article, very funny. Draws attention to some juxtapositions in TFSS's glossary that I hadn't noticed before. Bloody hilarious.

Also points out problems with the Arts Council (ACE, I ask you!.) are worse and more fundamental than I'd realised.

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IcakethereforeIam · 24/04/2022 14:40

Sorry, substack.

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borntobequiet · 24/04/2022 14:59

That’s spot on and very funny.

IcakethereforeIam · 24/04/2022 15:04

Apologies should be 'Stock', in the title.

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Anglophobia · 24/04/2022 17:28

I just came here to share this too. It’s spot on but hilarious.

PermanentTemporary · 24/04/2022 17:32

Laughed like a drain at the glossary bit 🤣

Artichokeleaves · 24/04/2022 17:39

Still the left-liberal fantasy of a 1950s Britain persists, propping up its own self-image as coolly rebellious and counter-cultural in the process.

Oh nail on the head. Painful in acuity.

So is this:

for theatre-goers there are still many long evenings ahead, sitting on uncomfortable chairs and watching white people with interesting haircuts talk earnestly about squirting.

While muttering to each other, "what a pile of wankery. Literally."

SoggyPaper · 24/04/2022 17:46

There are many parts of this which are so humorously put. And a very good analysis of how these things come about.

SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl · 24/04/2022 17:50

Oh she is SO GOOD. Clever and hilarious. 👏

ScrollingLeaves · 24/04/2022 17:53

This is hilarious.
She doesn’t.see any nefarious intentions to undermine children’s boundaries, but I do still think that is the effect of a show like this; and the effect of social pressures from BBC/Guardian reports about to see this as normal. and objections as bigoted.

SoggyPaper · 24/04/2022 17:56

ScrollingLeaves · 24/04/2022 17:53

This is hilarious.
She doesn’t.see any nefarious intentions to undermine children’s boundaries, but I do still think that is the effect of a show like this; and the effect of social pressures from BBC/Guardian reports about to see this as normal. and objections as bigoted.

yes.

but tackling it is more effective if you recognise that it’s not driven by the people who ‘benefit’ from it.

FreddieStandensBFF · 24/04/2022 18:56

Outstanding analysis and so funny.

LemonJuiceFromConcentrate · 24/04/2022 19:24

Loved this. She’s got the measure of it for sure.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/04/2022 19:31

SoggyPaper 17:56
I see what you mean.

MangyInseam · 24/04/2022 19:34

Maybe it seems less important, but I find it so sad that this is what art councils have come to. What the arts have come to.

I seriously considered studying art after I graduated . My town has a well-respected art college and I'd been taking lessons for children there since I was ten, and was pretty serious about it. I even started preparing a portfolio.

I decided not to because it occurred to at a certain point that while I enjoyed the process of making art, I didn't have anything to say that was particularly well informed or interesting, I didn't really know much. I'd watched endless instances of other students doing projects about the environment, or multi-culturalism, or exploring the possibilities of fibers, whatever, and I could see that mostly, they weren't all that interesting or insightful.

I feel sometimes like there are a lot of people who did not make that kind of assessment when it came time to choose a career direction.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/04/2022 21:37

This is a very amusing article about TFSS too, by Catherine Bennett in the Guardian:

Beware! Having an opinion about sex while growing old has now become a crime | Older people | The Guardian

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/24/beware-having-opinion-on-sexually-inappropriate-theatre-age-you-10-years

BraveBananaBadge · 24/04/2022 22:41

Along with Brendan O'Neill it's been a good day for people using intelligence and humour to show up exactly how appalling everything that's been going on really is. Fantastic writing from Prof Stock.

I know it's not the main point she's making but, having been lucky to have escaped a pronoun circle in real life thus far, the transcript from the podcast of twelve - twelve!^^ - people all introducing themselves struck me just how stupid, pointless and performative that whole ritual is. Twelve people - there's no chance of remembering most of their names, let alone anyone's he/she/theys. What a distraction, what a waste of energy and brain cells. It seems so ridiculously faddy - surely not a tenable construct.

IcakethereforeIam · 25/04/2022 11:16

Just reread the list of 'Queer' events that had benefitted from Arts Council money. Not gonna criticise them, if you can tick a box to get free cash then fill your boots. However, the Q umbrella is now so big it might as well be the sky. I could probably call myself Q if I had no self respect and didn't hate the word in that context.

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