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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How to respond to anti JKR teen DDs

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MmeMeursault · 24/04/2022 12:37

It's happened - the usually very sensible and feminist teen DDs have uttered the "JKR is transphobic and so must you be if you're supporting her" line, which of course is bollocks in both respects, but I'm so very bloody tired and peri-menopausal I just can think straight to come out with a suitable response to nip this nonsense in the bud.

Please suggest some suitable responses....

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YouLando · 24/04/2022 20:47

Yep, parroting shite just about sums it up!
DD's friend was talking about the Gringott's thing as well. My DD has heard my GC views and does roll her eyes at me, but I think (fingers crossed) that she understands where my concerns come from, and will discuss things with me. I have already talked with her about pronouns and compelled speech.

DdraigGoch · 24/04/2022 23:50

EddieHowesBlackandWhiteArmy · 24/04/2022 17:17

I appear to be very lucky in that my DD18 has definitely not drank the Kool Aid. DS who is younger passed comment that one of his classmates is now a boy and DD responded with ‘aye and I’m a fucking toaster’.

I wonder if it’s a regional thing as we’re quite far north.

I lover her straight talking.

DdraigGoch · 24/04/2022 23:54

*love, not "lover". I can't even blame autocorrect for that one, as I'm on my laptop.

TheBiologyStupid · 25/04/2022 01:19
  1. Point them to JKR's actual words.
  2. Contrast her polite and reasoned approach with the violent and hateful response she received.
  3. Add that even if they don't share them, GC beliefs are nevertheless worthy of respect in a democratic society.
Dinoteeth · 25/04/2022 01:34

Maybe point out Trans wasn't a "thing" before women had the same rights as men.
The right to vote
Equal pay and conditions - which in some areas is still being fought for.

What has suddenly made being a woman attractive to men?

There's always been cross dressers but they were men who liked women's stuff but never tried to be women.

Get them thinking about the bigger picture

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 25/04/2022 06:26

To all the excellent points up above I would just add that I have regularly reminded my teens that it is their job to distinguish and separate themselves from their parents in their teens, so of course they should be rebelling against anything I say or do. So well done for a developmentally appropriate response!

It acknowledges without accepting whatever nonsense it is they have spouted.

BotCrossHuns · 25/04/2022 08:35

The teens I talked to are frustrating on this issue. They say things like "I can't believe someone that transphobic could even have written books about finding and being your true self, it just seems impossible" - and then they don't make the leap to thinking that yes, it does seem impossible, so maybe she's not transphobic. They just keep on with the idea of how disappointed they are that in reality she must be this big transphobe. It doesn't matter if they read her essay either. In their eyes, she is saying that transwomen are not women, and in the teens' eyes, of course they are - that is their true essence, they know what they are underneath, how can we possibly judge them from the outside and decide if they're men or women, sex is much more complicated that simply your genitals or chromosomes or hormones, so they must have some inner feeling that tells them they're women and we are so bigoted for not recognising it. Therefore JKR is transphobic for not recognising that and for denying that they are women. Their biology doesn't matter, they just ARE women inside and it's nobody else's decision. You have to recognise it for yourself and find your true self, and that's the important bit. The characters in her book go on about being their authentic selves and being true, and there she is in reality denying people's true selves. So she is a transphobe, end of story.

It is frustrating as anything because you can't break into this narrative, as it's not based on logic, but on this 'inner feeling'. They are utterly convinced of it, and getting them to read her essay doesn't help (although many of them won't do that either, of course, and prefer to trust the social media groups that tell them that she's transphobic - the obsesed fanfic groups etc are very big on it), because her essay denies the 'inner essence' idea, which just comes down to 'they know they're women and we must support that'. If you try to mention that you can't define that without stereotypes or circular definitions, you get told that you just don't understand.

Maybe some of them do believe in stereotypes, actually, and that is the root of the problem? So boys or girls who don't fit the stereotypes just know they are the opposite sex, and it's apparently cruel of us to deny that and try to make them be something they're not. That must be the reasoning.

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