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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Genital flattening underwear for four year old boys

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 24/04/2022 03:03

Apologies for the DM link,but I've just come across this and am horrified. A trans woman has designed and is selling underwear for boys as young as 4 which flattens their genitals in order to give them a female side profile. Medics have warned that it could lead to infertility.

Baroness Nicholson is on the case.

Transgender designer accused of 'child abuse' for selling pants www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10746809/Transgender-designer-accused-child-abuse-selling-pants-flatten-genitals-boys.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 24/04/2022 13:18

@Mandodari but would they? I think if a small child says they are The Pope, or a tiger, or a real princess etc, adults indulge them up to a point but know full well that their child is playing out a fantasy. However, if a child says that he "feels like a girl" or even just shows a preference for pink and long hair, parents immediately assume it's possible (and desirable) to change sex.

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ResisterRex · 24/04/2022 13:23

Do children say "I feel like a girl"? Or: "I'm a girl, look!!" because that's more in line with what I've heard lots of children say over the years:

"I'm a dog!"
"I'm Spider-Man!"
"I'm Elsa!"

Followed by an insistence they can bark/spin a web/make you freeze. And so on. They don't say "I feel like a dog".

EmmaGrundyForPM · 24/04/2022 13:32

Good point @ResisterRex . But when they do say "Look, I'm Spiderman" the parents don't start believing them, do they?

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SoggyPaper · 24/04/2022 15:41

when your child announces they’re Spider-Man, you generally do things like buy them a Spider-Man costume and let them wear it. Or choose the spider-man wellies. Or whatever.

no one believes they are Spider-Man. But they can dress however they like.

Same if your son wants to wear a dress or have glittery trainers. He’s just expressing his interests. But people start acting like that’s incompatible with his sex and creating (then reinforcing) the idea that there’s something wrong with him and his body needs to change.

why can’t he just have glittery shoes and it be nothing more than that?

DS2 was a little magpie. At about 5 he wanted shiny gold high tops (which were to be found in the ‘girls section’). I bought them and he happily wore them. It meant nothing more than he wanted shiny shoes.

i was a total ‘tomboy’ throughout primary school. Looking back, it was mostly about me recognising that boys got away with more and could do things. And short hair and boys clothes were comfortable and practical. I didn’t think I was a boy and I’m so glad no one was there to try to trans me - and create a huge set of problems to go into puberty with.

Mandodari · 24/04/2022 15:51

Georgeskitchen · 24/04/2022 10:40

Why are you apologising for a link to a news outlet that exposes vile child abuse? Would you prefer it if nobody brought this to the publics attention?

Maybe because it is the same news outlet that has a long history on misogyny for example, it published a story today saying that Angela Rayner is employing a 'basic instinct' tactic to divert the PM from his speeches at the ballot box.

Seraphinesupport · 24/04/2022 16:09

its abuse to push these ideas onto kids. let them be kids and make that decision when they are old enough. anyone under 12 in my opinion CANNOT make a decision based on anything sexual

DrBrennerFan · 24/04/2022 16:17

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮I’ve heard it all now this is sick. Society has gone mad I’m sorry but it has. No safe space for teens girls at school starting periods etc. being forced trans binary stuff down their throats at primary level. Yes be lesbian Homosexual whatever but it’s for adults yes as a teen you’ll discover if you are but done in appropriate ways. With lgbt rucksacks etc support that way. Some of the rucksacks are gorgeous I’d have one myself I’m straight over the colours though.

Absurdle · 24/04/2022 16:44

Psychological damage seems 100% guaranteed. Would this also cause physical damage in the long term? Or does no one know, because no one has previously been sadistic and crazy enough to try it? This is so upsetting.

StellaAndCrow · 24/04/2022 17:44

Yes, "social transition" leads to children being in an impossible position once they reach puberty.
This is a really good article about it from a clinical psychologist (via Transgender Trend)
www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

Neverreturntoathread · 24/04/2022 17:48

FrancescaContini · 24/04/2022 10:10

And agree absolutely with @PurgatoryOfPotholes - why encourage a little boy to think about the outline of his genitals? Who even CONSIDERS this themselves let alone talking to a very small child about it? 🤮😡

Perverts.

Someone who encourages four year olds to damage their genitals is a pervert and a paedophile, plain and simple.

LondonQueen · 24/04/2022 17:51

Disgusting, anyone who buys this filth for their child should face charges for child abuse.

Neverreturntoathread · 24/04/2022 17:52

EmmaGrundyForPM · 24/04/2022 07:41

exactly. A four year old doesn't have a gender identity, whatever that means. My friends dd at 4 announced she was really a tiger. She kept this up for several months, saying that she wasn't going to go to the local school as she would be going to Tiger School. She insisted on a tiger plate, a tiger T shirt etc.

By 4.5 she had grown out of it. More importantly, my friend never believed that her daughter really was a tiger.

Yep. I believed I was a cat in a human’s body when I was four. Then as a teen I seriously thought I might be a witch, or a druid, or a psychic at least. 🤣🤣🤣

There’s a nice bit in Friends when Phoebe says that she went to see her school counsellor to say ‘I think I’m a witch’ and he said ‘no, you’re just a normal teen.’

It’s normal for teenagers, particularly girls, to fantasise about being different and special and misunderstood. Look at the popularity of superhero movies! Good parents tell teens to get over themselves and help them through it.

SoggyPaper · 24/04/2022 17:55

That is a really good article. And resonates strongly with me because I was that little girl whose parents took seriously my choices to have short hair, play football, buy boys clothes… and made no bigger thing of it. I was just me. And I was a girl regardless - but that wasn’t the important thing. It just was.

I dread to think what would have happened to me in today’s cultural context.

HemanOrSheRa · 24/04/2022 17:57

I remember something similar from a few years ago. JUST LEAVE CHILDREN ALONE TO BE CHILDREN. FFS.

SoggyPaper · 24/04/2022 18:05

SoggyPaper · 24/04/2022 17:55

That is a really good article. And resonates strongly with me because I was that little girl whose parents took seriously my choices to have short hair, play football, buy boys clothes… and made no bigger thing of it. I was just me. And I was a girl regardless - but that wasn’t the important thing. It just was.

I dread to think what would have happened to me in today’s cultural context.

Should clarify that I’m talking about the article @StellaAndCrow linked.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 24/04/2022 18:12

Maybe because it is the same news outlet that has a long history on misogyny for example, it published a story today saying that Angela Rayner is employing a 'basic instinct' tactic to divert the PM from his speeches at the ballot box.

I dislike some Daily Mail opinions and attitudes, Mandodari. But I'm glad of any news outlet that publicises the harmful results of transactivism. And as for misogyny: the Guardian proudly leads the field in that.

maeveiscurious · 24/04/2022 20:36

I'm starting to wonder whether there is a movement to render society infertile. Looks like we are heading that way. Stealth eugenics

Whatwouldscullydo · 24/04/2022 22:36

I'm starting to wonder whether there is a movement to render society infertile. Looks like we are heading that way. Stealth eugenics

Given the fact that many of these kids are autistic or gay , what does that tell you..

Trans away the gay...

EmmaGrundyForPM · 25/04/2022 16:33

Trans away the gay...

Indeed. It's no coincidence that countries which do not tolerate homosexuality appear to be ok with people being trans.

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Whatwouldscullydo · 25/04/2022 16:36

You simply can't have both.

You cant believe in same sex attraction and simultaneously believe that its gender that makes you a man or a woman and two males can be lesbians.

Its impossible.

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