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The Times - Gender expert: online influencers rush adolescents towards transition

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LittleWhingingWoman · 18/04/2022 00:43

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/464ba422-be78-11ec-b4e3-203ad1be3cbc?shareToken=8c56b50e845125d1b0feafce8209b961

Times up.

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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 18/04/2022 11:55

I am in my phone and the link isn't working. But, having read your first pictures, I found undercover mum and Trevor Project.on Substack I think.

Horrifying. And yes, such stuff needs to be available to give them all the lie!

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 18/04/2022 11:56

pitt.substack.com/p/the-trevor-project-undercover-mom?s=r

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 18/04/2022 12:06

Another thread with discussion about Anderson (NYPost piece):

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4530876-New-York-Post-article-Trans-doctor-who-helps-teens-transition-says-it-s-now-gone-too-far

DomesticatedZombie · 18/04/2022 14:23

"I worry that people will accuse me of setting the train in motion, as part of those who advocated the affirmative approach to gender in youth, even though that’s not a reasonable account of what happened.”

Quote from the doc.

Dr Anderson, 2019:

'There's a term being thrown around, which is not a scientific term: rapid onset gender dysphoria. Have you heard that term?
LR: No. Is that like acute stress disorder affecting gender?
EA: It's a term made up by parents who are concerned that their teenage children are asserting a trans identity from out of the blue. They are worried that there's some kind of social contagion going on with teenagers where it's cool to be trans. More kids are trans than ever before, and they wonder if maybe they catch it from each other. But I can assure you, transgender identity is not something one catches. It's not infectious'.
...
'One of the things that I'm impressed with by those who get surgery is that the characteristics of the person are all-important. So, if they're healthy, have realistic expectations and a good surgeon, they have a good result and there are no consequences. That's one process. Another might be someone who has health issues, who might be a little more likely to have some kind of untoward consequence of a surgical procedure and are then frustrated afterward because their recovery is a little choppy, and maybe the result isn't exactly what they had hoped.

The differences between people are clear. Historically, surgery has been largely confined to adults 18 and over. But more and more, the trans kids that we're working with whose identity is clear at a young age and who have been on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones as young teenagers, are getting surgery in their teenage years. This is, of course, with the full consent of their parents when everyone agrees that it's medically indicated.
These kids are being given a gift that someone in that situation a generation ago would never have had
These kids are being given a gift that someone in that situation a generation ago would never have had, which is to avoid some of the life experience in the gender they don’t want, and some of the physical changes in their body that they're not completely comfortable with. They're able to move ahead with their physical transition in such a way that by the time they're in middle to late teenage years, they're fully embodied as the person they see themselves to be and the gender that they assert.'
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'We have inadequate empirical bases for a lot of the things that we're doing'
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'I'll tell you one other little anecdote which is kind of special for me. When I see trans kids at the UCSF clinic, I'll say to them, "Do you know any other trans kids?" Sometimes they shake their head, and say, "No, I don't know any other transgender kids." I'll then say, "Well, do you know any other transgender adults?" They'll shake their head, and say, "No, I don’t know any other transgender adults." I look at them and say, "Well, honey, you can't say that anymore, because I'm trans." Their eyes get big, their jaws drop. Sometimes they gasp, sometimes they break into a big smile. And it's such a sweet, special moment for me. Sometimes the parents are not surprised and other times they say, "Really?" And then they say to their child, "See, honey, you can be a doctor. You can have a good life." And I feel, in that moment, like this is a gift to me, to be there with that child.'

www.psychotherapy.net/interview/lgbt/therapy-across-gender-spectrum

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 18/04/2022 14:37

And I feel, in that moment, like this is a gift to me, to be there with that child.'

The egocentrism of that is contrary to everything that should be true of a therapeutic relationship. Anderson might intellectually understand transference but there is a staggering indifference to the power asymmetry and inappropriateness of the entire transaction in that anecdote.

nepeta · 18/04/2022 15:24

This is the packing of the suitcases in preparation for the sinking of the ship, in my view. When the tide turns, which it will, some will be left holding a very large bill, and nobody wants to be found in that group.

FrancescaContini · 18/04/2022 15:54

@nepeta

This is the packing of the suitcases in preparation for the sinking of the ship, in my view. When the tide turns, which it will, some will be left holding a very large bill, and nobody wants to be found in that group.
Agree. Let’s hope it sinks rapidly.
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