A Detailed Look At “The Family Sex Show”

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Just for clarity & in case anyone jumps at the chance to call me a right-winger bent on denying women reproductive rights: I’m a socialist agnostic who has protested anti-abortionists.

And I know a child safeguarding hazard when I see one.

Performances planned in Bath, Bristol and Norwich.

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[quote DomesticatedZombie]Good god:

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What the fucking hell is that?

NSPCC now tell children it is only abuse if they don't like it. Fits neatly in with 'pleasure based consent'.

[quote DomesticatedZombie]'The Egg' theatre have protected their tweets.

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So I see. I clicked on the website on their closed/protected twitter account, www.theatreroyal.org.uk/event/the-family-sex-show/ and found this interesting comment on the heading "you are what you say you are". I find this comment concerning and definitely a safeguarding issue.

The transcripts of the podcast are illuminating. There is some decent stuff there to be fair, but it's mixed in with some shocking stuff that undermines safeguarding plus a huge helping of gender identity indoctrination nonsense.

The podcast is aimed at 16+.

In the one on how talk to kids about porn a bloke says this:

"I know lots of people might happen to see porn a bit younger, and that’s ok, but do you know what the legal age to watch porn in the UK is?"

The context is that his 10 year old has newly got a phone and so may come across porn, and he's suggesting things you could say to a child about porn.

It is NOT ok that children see porn younger than 18 and it's extremely worrying that this is the message they put across.

Other questions they suggest you might ask your child include:

Why might someone watch porn?
When we talk about touching, there’s touch that we’re comfortable with and touch that we’re not comfortable with…what sorts of things make touch good or comfortable?
What might make touch uncomfortable?
How might people feel when they experience good touch?
How might people feel when they experience uncomfortable touch?
What is sex? How do people define it? How else could people define it?
If you did come across something that you had questions about, or that upset you for any reason, do you feel like you have someone who could support you?

This is positioning porn as a choice, and putting the responsibility for for finding it problematic onto the child, rather than explaining that it's porn itself that's problematic, and it's am exploitative industry by nature.

When I had a conversation with my 11 year old, after I discovered he'd been shown porn by other boys within weeks of starting secondary, I made it very clear to him that:

• porn is not real, the people are actors
• this is not what real sex is about
• many of the women are being forced to be there and are harmed by what it being done to them.
• The women are being paid or coerced to pretend to enjoy it, this is not what women actually enjoy
• porn is not cool
• criminal gangs are involved in running the porn industry.
• watching porn can harm you. e.g. adult men and teenage boys who have watched a lot of porn have trouble with relationships and it can make them not be able to have sex properly
• it's natural to be curious about sex, but porn won't give you truthful answers. If you want to know more about sex, you can read factual books about sex, and there also is a lot of teen fiction that talks about sex

Why aren’t the company prepared to say that they got it wrong, their safeguarding needed to be looked at and they will take advice from parents/ women’s groups/ safeguarding experts on the content of the show? But no, they are attacking those that had important things to ay instead.. have lessons been learned? I doubt it.

The fact they are attacking those raising safeguarding concerns and framing them as 'abusive' and 'threatening' tells you all you need to know about them.

They don't understand safeguarding and they are not acting in good faith. They do not have children's best interests at heart.

The fucking IRONY that they're supposedly so concerned about the safety of their 'performers' but not about the safety of 5 year old children. Well, it tells you all you need to know.

Well done wims for shutting this down. We've had a safeguarding win.

@nomoremsniceperson

1) the words "family", "sex" and "show" do not belong in the same sentence for anyone with a healthy mindset regarding sex or families.

2. this has been a problem on the left/liberal side for decades. In the German Democratic Republic, young leftists became so obsessed with deconstructing anything associated with conservatism that they literally believed it was their duty to initiate their own children into sex. Those with a strong stomach can read all about it here: www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

3. the fact they lied about the NSPCC being involved - something they've now removed from their website - is a massive red flag. Why are they overstating their safeguarding chops?

That article is absolutely shocking & sickening. I notice the German Green Party were involved...I wonder if the Scottish & English Greens have the same “ interests “

twitter.com/ThisEgg_/status/1516336468784029698?t=6aI_ei7_m0y898je-6s6AQ&s=19

The standard "we've been threatened" line.
Actually, they were shown up and people quite rightly said a big fat no to their right on, sex positive, pleasure focused, 'terf' in the glossary so we know what they think of women really, getting naked on stage car crash of a show because they aimed it towards children.

I don't care how 'consensual' it is, or what 'safeguarding' they've used, whipping your kit off and talking about sex acts in front of 5 year olds....what the fuck were they thinking?! They think they can pull that shit in the name of harmless education, they can think again.

Their Twitter account had many, many comments from people calling them 'groomers'.

I don't know if that is really 'threats', is it? Nor even abuse, just sounds like lots of people saying what they see.

Personally, I'd have worded it differently, as I think it's maybe slightly more complex than that.

Haha! Their snivelling self pity doesn’t surprise me at all. Anything to avoid admitting there are serious safeguarding questions around the show. Much better to blame the right wing bogeyman.

It's a PR game now.
(And i suspect funding may depend on at least one "live" show.)

They are doing a show with invited guests.

Guests do a review.

Getting naked and taking about sex gets a "nothing to see here" review.

Or they manage to get a U rated show.
Actors don't talk about sexual relationships, don't get naked and consent is about how nobody engages in sexual activity (because the actors are talking in an age appropiate way to a 5 year old child).

@Plasmodesmata

The cancellation statement says "information regarding the content of the show was made available to bookers before coming to see it". Is that true? I thought they hadn't finished developing it?

It’s not true.

Links to photos of the show in development were “not ready yet”.

They added a very patronising statement that if you’d be “more comfortable knowing more” there would be a document posted on 28th April... which is the day of the preview, and long after the tickets have been on sale.

Like the supposed link to the NSPCC, this is bullshit. And that in itself is a red flag: why lie?

From: www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

members of the 1968 movement and their successors were caught up in a strange obsession about childhood sexuality. It is a chapter of the movement's history which is never mentioned in the more glowing accounts of the era. On this issue, the veterans of the late '60s student movement seem to have succumbed to acute amnesia; an analysis of this aspect of the student revolution would certainly be worthwhile.

It's the dishonesty around this. There are repeated calls for hidden accounts in history and that there needs to be a way to archive and account for failed research as well as published research. There's a current thread about the SNP Education Committee that is based on a thesis that reproduces many of these ideas around children and consent to sex. Yet, it's all based on Foucault and similar without any acknowledgement of 'research' like this.

I've never found it again but I recall reading an outstanding essay about the social value of a shared sense of moral disgust. In an environment where the abuse and exploitation of children is still unseen or minimised and all too common, it's a provocation to this shared sense of moral disgust. This is not an area in which moral disgust is to be problematised or 'solutions' offered to educate people out of it: we need to exist in a society with strong safeguarding measures in which children and vulnerable people are protected from abuse and exploitation.

Those True Believes are also know as paedophiles. I wonder if they believe that there shouldn't be a minimum age for other things such as smoking, driving a car, buying a shot gun or is their liberal stance only concerned with adults wanting to have sexual contact with minors.

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

From: www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

members of the 1968 movement and their successors were caught up in a strange obsession about childhood sexuality. It is a chapter of the movement's history which is never mentioned in the more glowing accounts of the era. On this issue, the veterans of the late '60s student movement seem to have succumbed to acute amnesia; an analysis of this aspect of the student revolution would certainly be worthwhile.

It's the dishonesty around this. There are repeated calls for hidden accounts in history and that there needs to be a way to archive and account for failed research as well as published research. There's a current thread about the SNP Education Committee that is based on a thesis that reproduces many of these ideas around children and consent to sex. Yet, it's all based on Foucault and similar without any acknowledgement of 'research' like this.

I've never found it again but I recall reading an outstanding essay about the social value of a shared sense of moral disgust. In an environment where the abuse and exploitation of children is still unseen or minimised and all too common, it's a provocation to this shared sense of moral disgust. This is not an area in which moral disgust is to be problematised or 'solutions' offered to educate people out of it: we need to exist in a society with strong safeguarding measures in which children and vulnerable people are protected from abuse and exploitation.

There is a thread on the Scotsnet section of Mumsnet at the moment about the SNP/Greens & their highly dubious actions re children.

Sorry I just reread your comment and you have already seen that thread.
It’s worth more people on here taking a look at that thread.

As an aside there is a thread on Scotsnet about filling in a questionnaire and it would be much appreciated if anyone on here from Scotland fills it in.

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Good god:

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Jesus that is creepy. Has nothing been learned from Saville? A guy being openly creepy and inappropriate around children isn't just a good ol' eccentric, he is a danger.

That piece reminds me of that weirdo Jeffrey with the creepy voice and mad eyes.

Cancelled!

www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/the-family-sex-show-cancelled-in-norwich-8905696

Not quite, MrsDAnvers: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4533410-The-Family-Sex-Show-to-continue-despite-widespread-outrage

Oh, I had an email from CitizenGo saying it had:

“The producers behind the Family Sex Show have announced that their exploitative and potentially abusive production has now been scrapped from theatres. The show will no longer go ahead in Bristol or at the Norwich festival and will only be performed to a ‘selected invited audience’ at Bath.

I just phoned the box office Egg theatre in Bath to see whether or not tickets were available to purchase by members of the general public and staff confirmed that they had been taken off sale.

This is a phenomenal victory and thanks to the almost 39,000 of you who signed our petition.

The producers of the show are unrepentant, claiming that the cancellation is due to illegal threats of violence and abuse from a ‘few extremists’.

Sadly, it seems as though the producers have learned nothing. There was nothing in our campaign that constituted either abuse or violent threats and we hope that any illegality has been duly reported to the police.

39,000 people is not a handful of ‘extremists’ either. This was thousands of ordinary mums, dads, aunts, uncles, grandparents and godparents, standing up in defence of children.
The show was never about educating children, but prematurely sexualising them. Children were being subjected to full-frontal adult nudity without their consent and introduced to inappropriate topics like BDSM.

The Family Sex Show repeatedly claimed that they had taken advice from child safeguarding experts, however the show contravened NSPCC guidelines. After they were contacted, the NSPCC also said that not only had they never heard of it, they also had no input into devising it

A number of CitizenGO members contacted me directly to let me know that they had also outlined the contents of the Family Sex Show to their local police force to ascertain whether or not the production was in breach of any indecent exposure or child protection laws, and that the police also expressed their concern.

It is a violation of children’s rights and boundaries for an adult to strip naked in front of them and initiate conversations of a sexually explicit nature.

The campaign was never about banning freedom of expression, but protecting children.

I had been been planning to step up the campaign today and had a number of offline actions planned, that will now no longer be necessary.

I will be watching developments closely over the next week however and will not hesitate to act should it emerge that children will be attending the private performance. The show has yet to confirm whether or not the performers who are so keen to strip in front of children have been subject to any DBS checks or what checks are being made on those adults who would wish to take children to this performance.

The campaign was phenomenally successful and picked up by a number of media outlets and social media influencers. I made two interventions on Talk Radio and BBC Radio Bristol and we featured in a number of excellent articles. “

Good update.

Great update, well done everyone who put pressure on.

Excellent news @MrsDanversBroom! So well done to you! : )