Kentucky bans abortion

[DomesticatedZombie]

Just saw this - I don't know much about US situation, but this sounds appalling.

'Lawmakers have enacted more than a dozen laws meant to restrict or outlaw abortion since Republicans won control of both chambers of the legislature in 2016.'

news.yahoo.com/did-kentucky-ban-abortion-heres-150723973.html

Kentucky's not all bad, the same lawmakers overrode governor's veto to enact anti-trans sports ban at the same time, so they're looking after women in sports.

I’d an ectopic pregnancy in Ireland 9 years ago in 2013. They had to wait 4 days before they could do anything as they had to determine there was absolutely no chance the foetus could survive (hcg monitoring). They had to check me every hour (night and day) as my tube could have ruptured at any time. They also ‘buried’ the remains with a ceremony.

@Sparklemagick

Kentucky's not all bad, the same lawmakers overrode governor's veto to enact anti-trans sports ban at the same time, so they're looking after women in sports.

Are you actually comparing the pretend oppression of males who want to cheat, by claiming female spaces in sports, with women not having autonomy over their own bodies?

No one is banning males from sport. They just need to compete in their own fucking sex class.

TRA's want to strip women of every sex based right and protection they have, so don't pretend males who claim to be women give a single fuck about abortion rights, or any female rights at all, because females having rights stands in the way of them getting validation for their special gender feelings.

@tabbycatstripy

‘is it for no-one to have sex at all?’

No. It’s for women to marry young, have children inside marriage, not use contraception, not have abortions.

Basically to be breeding machines, tied to the home. A return to the "good old days" (saracsm, obviously).

@Sparklemagick

Kentucky's not all bad, the same lawmakers overrode governor's veto to enact anti-trans sports ban at the same time, so they're looking after women in sports.

Sounds like more misogyny to me.

There is of course no such thing as an "anti-trans sports ban".

:(

There is a definite and very noticeable creep towards men claiming access to women's bodies is a right. Gilead doesn't seem far away.

There is of course no such thing as an "anti-trans sports ban"

www.cnn.com/2022/04/13/politics/kentucky-anti-trans-sports-ban-veto-override/index.html

[quote Bevhilly]There is of course no such thing as an "anti-trans sports ban"

www.cnn.com/2022/04/13/politics/kentucky-anti-trans-sports-ban-veto-override/index.html[/quote]
Of course CNN words it like that. They are a leftist propaganda pushing machine. They believe all trans people are stunning and brave. They call women’s groups “anti-trans” groups.

This ban is for over 15 weeks gestation. No matter how religious people think they are, it takes a coldness and cruelty to not allow exemptions for those who are raped or abused. It’s so wrong.

Handmaid's Tale right there

I hate, hate, hate that conservatives are pushing so hard on this. It’s so harmful. I’m writing an email to send to my Governor to tell him how harmful this is. Any tips for my letter? I’m not the best at expressing myself.

For now, women will still be able to get abortion pills by mail, there are places even offering them in advance, just to have on hand. Women can always get birth control for free at any Planned Parenthood or through insurance. Last resort, travel to a nearby state.

Interesting, I read that more than half of all abortions in the US are now done with pills.

The Supreme Court is loaded with Catholics as well. It's been a very concerted effort over a very long time. In terms of religion, the Supreme Court looks nothing like America.

Make no mistake Roe vs Wade is under attack. And has been for a long time.

Added to which it's always worth saying that the countries with the most legal, safe, available, affordable abortion, have the fewest. In the countries where it's illegal, it's performed in great numbers just unsafely, expensively and illegally. Women die. It's not about saving babies or women's health. It's about making women suffer. It's misogyny.

I just read it’s for over 15 weeks gestation, so almost four months. That seems a little more reasonable. I hate it, but that’s not a ban like the headline suggests.

@MrsTerryPratchett
If it goes that far, liberal justices usually vote in lockstep but the conservative justices frequently cross party lines to vote with the other side. For the most part neither side really wants this, it’s like the trans issue. I can’t believe it’s gotten this far, I never thought I would see this.

‘Sadly that still won’t help rape and abuse victims.’

It won’t stop rape and abuse. It might undercut these laws.

Is there a pill you can take at home past ten weeks?

‘I just read it’s for over 15 weeks gestation, so almost four months. That seems a little more reasonable. I hate it, but that’s not a ban like the headline suggests.’

No, it isn’t. Why am I reading that they have banned all abortion? We can’t trust the news anymore.

I always understood "reproductive rights" to be the right for women to choose to have children or not, ie rights to access contraception and abortion.

The term is now being appropriated - along with demands for fertility equality - by men, mostly gay men, to claim the right to obtain a baby via surrogacy. Neatly ignoring the fact that their "right" rests on the exploitation of a woman who is employed as a breeder (and usually another woman who is paid to provide eggs).

This also applies to the appropriation of the term "infertility", expanding the previous understanding that this was a medical condition, to include those who cannot possibly reproduce due to a lack of the relevant baby making sex organs.

www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/nyregion/nyc-ivf-same-sex-couple.html

@Tiphaine a couple of years ago I had the delightful privilege of meeting a 101 year old woman who was as sharp as a pin mentally and who told me she opened the first family planning clinic up north after the war. She chatted about what wonderful contraceptive options we have these days, whereas in her day they only had the Dutch cap. (My mother maintained all four of us children were born despite the cap ). She said the men hated it and would rip them out. Women would cross the road when they saw her and later come to see her in secret. And of course she had seen plenty of fatalities related to back street abortions. And was still outraged that one woman had confided in her that her husband demanded sex EVERY SINGLE DAY. What a Shero she was though she'd never have thought of herself as such.

I know many women on Mumsnet have suffered abusive relationships and worse, but on the whole, women in the UK are very fortunate compared to previous generations and women in other countries around the world.

We must not lose our hard won rights.

@tabbycatstripy

‘I just read it’s for over 15 weeks gestation, so almost four months. That seems a little more reasonable. I hate it, but that’s not a ban like the headline suggests.’

No, it isn’t. Why am I reading that they have banned all abortion? We can’t trust the news anymore.

Because:

'Kentucky is now the only state that doesn't offer abortion services.

That's because a new law is so broad, with so many restrictions, abortion providers say it's impossible to continue their work without violating it.'

So it's described as an 'effective ban', not an outright one. As I said in the OP, I don't know enough about US law or Kentucky law to comment in any depth, I'm going on what's in the article.

'HB 3 includes multiple new restrictions on abortion including:

A ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A ban on medication by mail used to terminate early pregnancies.
New restrictions for girls under 18 seeking abortions, including those asking a judge's permission for the procedure when a parent is not available or unlikely to approve because of abuse or neglect.
A requirement that fetal remains be disposed of by burial or cremation, which could add hundreds of dollars of costs to the procedure.
A requirement that the Cabinet for Health and Family Services create an extensive system to certify and oversee anyone who manufactures, ships or dispenses the two-drug regimen to end a pregnancy.
A requirement that the state set up a complaint portal online and list all health workers who provide abortions or abortion medication. It would allow anonymous complaints and require the state to investigate all of them.'

Due to this law the two abortion providers in Kentucky have suspended all abortion services.

eu.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-general-assembly/2022/04/13/legal-challenge-follow-override-kentucky-abortion-bill-veto/7293555001/

Cruel fuckers. The endgame is to get a legal challenge taken up to the Supreme Court and have that overturn Roe vs Wade. That's what the support for Trump was always about. Get Trump nominees on the Supreme Court