Trans people deserve an apology says Alicia Kearns.

[LittleWhingingWoman]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f5f4a80a-b5e1-11ec-8c29-375fe0cc1f19?shareToken=c2701af1fe148f8b2e5627e444c90522

Pathetic emotional blackmail design to conflate gay with trans.

Do you think the journalist actually read the conversion therapy bill or just decided they could manufacture some outrage because they assumed no one else did?

Denton playbook all over it.

The Denton playbook is powerful.

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/dentons-campaigns-kids-switch-gender-without-parental-approval

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dentons-document?s=r

Trans people deserve an apology for not being treated sensibly by the adults. Everyone needs boundaries. Time for adults to treat them properly, with clear boundaries and compassion.

Do you think the journalist actually read the conversion therapy bill or just decided they could manufacture some outrage because they assumed no one else did?

She’s an MP! But it seems quite a few still don’t understand it, which is a bit concerning.

'I'm sorry that some tw and their supporters can't respect women's rights', that kind of thing?

As soon as I see a 'so-called' in an opening paragraph, it turns everything that follows into the voice of Private Eye's Dave Spart for me.

TW deserve an apology from the craven politicians who have pretended for the better part of a decade that organisations like Stonewall had the correct interpretation of law.

They can apologise to the NB and TM, too. But most of all, they need to apologise to male people who have been told they have an absolute right to female spaces, because they don’t.

@FOJN

Do you think the journalist actually read the conversion therapy bill or just decided they could manufacture some outrage because they assumed no one else did?

I think Kearns is a Tory MP!

@JellySaurus

Trans people deserve an apology for not being treated sensibly by the adults. Everyone needs boundaries. Time for adults to treat them properly, with clear boundaries and compassion.

Your post is very confusing. Do you mean that there are no adults that are trans?

or are you talking about children?

I think 'adults' is a metaphor for people, especially.lawmakers, who should, and probably do, know better. People, even trans people, should not be indulged like spoiled toddlers. It makes it harder for everyone when they eventually are told 'no'.

I do think there are a number of people who have real issues like sex dysphoria who have been given bad advice and unrealistic expectations, and have made serious unalterable decisions made on the basis of said advice and expectations. And they absolutely deserve an apology. In some cases they are people who really needed clear guidance because they weren't in a position to sort through it all themselves and they've basically been sacrificed to try and push an agenda.

I think we need another name for so called conversion therapy as it applies to transporter. We're playing by Stonewall's rules, it makes it easier to conflait with gay conversion therapy. Like, 'you're not trans, and, even if you are, you won't be by the time I've finished with you'.

How about 'confirmation therapy'. As in let's confirm this is really what you want/need. It's close enough to 'affirmation' but different enough to keep everyone on board.

Thank you, Icake.

I think Kearns is a Tory MP!

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"Anyone questioning their sexuality or gender identity, deserves explorative, challenging and critical conversations with accredited and regulated individuals."

Yes obviously they do Alicia and this is why any legislation has to be carefully worded to make sure this happens and isn't classed as 'conversion therapy'. Is she really that stupid.

It all leads back to the medical profession. First and foremost, medics need to apologise to trans people for setting this very vulnerable group of people up with false expectations of what they can expect from transition and the extent to which other people will perceive and treat them as the opposite sex.

Then the profession needs to apologise to women. All of this started with medics breezily encouraging trans people into women's spaces, completely overlooking women's human rights to privacy and dignity. Everyone else who has chipped away at women's rights took their cue from the fact that a respected and regulated profession thought it was fine to do so. So the profession owes women an apology for unleashing this now decade-long assault on their rights.

God help us all.

I am so DONE with this level of stupidity.

@Justme56

"Anyone questioning their sexuality or gender identity, deserves explorative, challenging and critical conversations with accredited and regulated individuals."

Yes obviously they do Alicia and this is why any legislation has to be carefully worded to make sure this happens and isn't classed as 'conversion therapy'. Is she really that stupid.

I doubt Kearns is stupid.

Kearns may well be ignorant of much of the material reality and the prior history of what is actually meant in this discussion.

If apologies are being handed out over this mess, we can start with children, homosexual people, females, and detransitioners who may be all three of the above.

I’ve spent years working to secure this important ban, including with religious leaders of all faiths. Everyone is clear: this is not about enforcing affirmative-only therapy.

Then why in all those years has none of your crack team of Kind People come up with a definition of “conversion therapy” that would make this unambiguous? Fuck off and write one instead of wanging on like this.

Because the ambiguity is the most crucial bit.

Be nice . It's probably just a nice wooden horse.

This ban is about preventing those who use “therapy” as a smokescreen for their homophobic or transphobic exorcisms. No one else has anything to fear from a ban.

Yeah right. Stonewall and TRAs don't exactly have the track record for us to believe this.

this ban is not just about the penal ramifications

Because the ambiguity is the most crucial bit.

People need to understand this. If you have ambiguity around a supposedly clear line drawn by the law, then you get a penumbra of extra territory that people will steer clear of. Then, when you're talking about responsible therapists, they're going to make extra distance between their counselling and the penumbra. What trans activists are after is to make definitions of Conversion Therapy sufficiently unclear that responsible therapists are going to feel uncomfortable with providing any helpful exploratory non-affirmation therapy.

You don't need to find individual therapists in breach of the law to scare others off. It's akin to the "chilling effect", although this time for therapy rather than for free speech. But when this is happening those who advocated for a broad vague Conversion Therapy law will be saying "see, no therapists are falling foul of the law, all of those concerns were groundless".