Conversion therapy policy treats trans people like second-class citizens

[Igneococcus]

Says Dr Zoe Greaves chairwoman of the British Medical Association medical ethics committee in the Times. She is of course conflating LGB and T while not telling us what conversion theraby for transpeople actucally is:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/05d0d406-b8df-11ec-94e5-2197dead5942?shareToken=3a846c7a3bee13e23382a1a0373848b0

Because it could look, if one was very cynical, like historic events that affected LGB people being leveraged for the current purposes of TQ+ agendas.

CCTV, videos and many witnesses aren't enough for some people (hospital WiSpa etc.) and yet we have stories without dates.

The phrase conversion therapy and the conflation with religious interventions is helping to confuse discussion here and that's what some people want.

Yes. They want to make it illegal to say you think it’s unhealthy, or you don’t share the person’s belief in gender identity

YY. They are back-pedalling on this, at the moment, because they want to get it back into the bill without much redrafting.

Not to mention risking criminalising parents who commit the crime of saying 'hang on a minute, let's talk about this'.

Surely most people are very aware this is so much smoke and mirrors? I note absolutely no mention of this from any of my LGB friends on social media, and not even my right-on tra friends seem to be talking about it.

Can we take the general public shrugging as tacit agreement with the government's decision?

@Artichokeleaves

Not to mention risking criminalising parents who commit the crime of saying 'hang on a minute, let's talk about this'.

This is what concerns me. What's the point at which even parents would receive non-crime hate incident warnings or beyond if they were to engage in conversation?

Conversation on some things? Mandatory, it's what good parents do from clothing purchases to homework to savings advice and finishing a course of abx.

Conversation that exchanges different perspectives or might actually dissent from a child's prompted course of choices and action plan? Possibility of not only a fractured family but charges or a police interview.

This comment is already gone from the online edition. I wonder who decided to take it off and why.

I think we need another name for so called conversion therapy as it applies to transperson. We're playing by Stonewall's rules, it makes it easier to conflait with gay conversion therapy. Like, 'you're not trans, and, even if you are, you won't be by the time I've finished with you'. But, as I understand it, this is not the therapy being proposed for transpeople.

How about 'confirmation therapy'. As in let's confirm this is really what you want/need. It's close enough to 'affirmation' but different enough to keep everyone on board

@Igneococcus

This comment is already gone from the online edition. I wonder who decided to take it off and why.

I still see it.

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