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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'I don't want facial hair': Transgender girl, eight, has sleepless nights about growing up as a boy

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NormaSnorks · 10/04/2022 20:44

news.sky.com/story/i-dont-want-to-grow-facial-hair-transgender-girl-eight-has-sleepless-nights-about-growing-up-as-a-boy-12586845

This is so so wrong. My heart breaks for these poor children. Will their attention-seeking parents not stop at anything?

Which child DIDN'T like the idea of puberty/ growing up etc. (I was terrified about the idea of sex when I first learnt about it).
Just let the child dress how they like/ be who they want to be, but FFS don't label them at such a young age.

This is all so screwed up!

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tabbycatstripy · 10/04/2022 20:47

This seems worse than daft parents not noticing that these concerns are normal. I’m noticing more rhetoric that suggests ‘transness’ is inherited. This helps the parents shore up the idea that it is innate. This parent calls their child ‘a perfect mix of boy and girl’ and this suggests to me that the child has been brainwashed.

yestheyhavethesamedad · 10/04/2022 20:53

What's more screwed up is this quote
"I'm going to have babies when I grow up, right? I'm going to be a mummy?"

"As a parent, I don't know how to answer that"

The obvious answer is no you can never have a baby as you can identify as whatever you like ,but will always be a biological boy and cannot change sex .
They are setting the child up for a lifetime of hurt

NormaSnorks · 10/04/2022 20:59

I'm afraid I don't believe any of it. Perhaps the child likes more feminine things, that's fine. Perhaps they will turn out to be gay.

But this 'influencer' family have shamelessly exploited their children all their lives for financial gain and I just think this is the latest thing they've come up with to keep themselves newsworthy?

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Rights · 10/04/2022 21:00

“As a parent, I don't know how to answer that question because it's really sad to see a child just questioning it all,"

I mean, my DD went through a phase of wondering why she couldn’t be a cat, FFS - it’s normal for children to question things! Those parents sound like utter narcissists; poor kid.

IHateCoronavirus · 10/04/2022 21:03

Reading between the lines, my first thought would be transference from the dad onto the child. He mentioned he had trauma from suppressing who he was as a child. It is entirely plausible when this boy baby was born he had a lot of issues he’d not worked through and unconsciously put that onto his son.

FuzzyPenguin · 10/04/2022 21:07

I am on another forum which discusses this family in depth. The way the father is making his money off his children is disgusting.
Whatever this child feels about their gender identity should be processed in private not broadcasted for the world to see. It’s shocking when you watch videos from a yer ago where the child clear states they are a boy who likes dresses doesn’t want to be a woman too now.
I am sure if you ask any 8 year old they would would not like the idea of puberty regardless of gender.
I also can’t help thinking that it’s a massive coincidence that the child is acting out the childhood of his father. (As documented in his book). It’s grooming in plan site.

Linguini · 10/04/2022 21:10

This has the sound of "world's smallest violin playing" to me.

Well, boo boo.

None of us like restrictive gender norms thrust upon us.
None of us liked the idea of going through puberty.

Try being an actual female learning that sleepovers and camping after aged 12 are extremely complicated, humiliating or impossible because of the bleeding on the sheets factor....

You deal with it. You grow up.

You don't need to inject yourself every day with hormones not meant for your body. Your body isn't wrong. It's normal. Gender stereotypes however, are desperately wrong.

NormaSnorks · 10/04/2022 21:16

Try being an actual female learning that sleepovers and camping after aged 12 are extremely complicated, humiliating or impossible because of the bleeding on the sheets factor....

As someone who started their period on a week-long remote field trip in the Lake District I can TOTALLY relate to this! Shock

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Hopspinach · 10/04/2022 21:17

"I'm going to have babies when I grow up, right? I'm going to be a mummy?"
"As a parent, I don't know how to answer that question because it's really sad to see a child just questioning it all," Jonathan said.

To me this doesn't sound like the child is sad or lost - but that they've been really confused by adults not being straightforward them about simple biological facts.

Surely the right answer is a kind, firm, but honest response (you know, the way you normally correct a confused child): "No, darling, you can't be a mummy. Only women can be mummies. You're a boy, so that means you can be a daddy."

ChopinBoard · 10/04/2022 21:24

I'd absolutely love to see all these exploitative family youtube channels consigned to the dustbin of history. Children should have the right to grow up in private. It's bad enough seeing people post photos on facebook!

ResisterRex · 10/04/2022 21:29

Regardless of whether the parents have plastered their kids all over social media, I fail to see that this segment is ethical. There is so much known - especially in newsrooms - about gender identity and children that I do not understand how they decided this was an OK thing to put online for the whole world to see. Forever.

And because newsrooms will know all about the concerns around gender identity and children, what was the point of this Balance? If so, what kind of "balance" is there to be had when kids are paraded for the cameras? What we do know is that the rates of desistance are high, so and this film will follow the family now. It couldn't even be done with just the parents as the children would be identifiable.

It's wrong, and uncomfortable to see.

MrOllivander · 10/04/2022 21:40

It's just a thing isn't it? I mean I was a tomboy, forever climbing trees, refused to wear jeans as I wanted to be in shorts 24/7, hated the thought of boobs and cried my eyes out when my periods started
I really love being a woman now 🤷🏽‍♀️ and I'm glad nobody talked about how I could alter my body

Annonymiss123 · 10/04/2022 21:41

Coincidentally, “Stacey Dooley Sleeps Over” on W at 10pm tonight features this family.

Oblomov22 · 10/04/2022 21:45

Father non binary. Had to suppress who he really was. What does that mean?

MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis · 10/04/2022 22:07

It did seem like when he was saying “marry a woman and live your whole life as a lie as it’s going to keep other people happy” that he may have been talking about himself. Also that he’s not even considered that his male son could marry another man, or maybe won’t consider it? I really dislike commenting on someone else’s sexuality but we do know homophobia is a big factor in these situations.

SadButTheTruth · 10/04/2022 22:33

This family monetise their kids and the father’s non-binary status involves him wearing tunic tops and leggings (see the naming day videos for that gem). They live very near us and we have friends whose children attend the same school. Not really the best advocates for this tricky issue. I hear a confused child and misleading parents who get off on the drama of it all.

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