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The Mail continues to shine a spotlight ...

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Mumsnut · 09/04/2022 21:46

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10702865/Trans-killer-says-identifies-baby-demands-baby-food-dummy-prison-cell.html

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Linguini · 09/04/2022 21:51

They aren't shining any light whilst they relentlessly refer to this psychopath with a penis as "she" and "her". They can fuck off with that.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/04/2022 21:52

Can't wait for the trans extremists to explain this one!

In addition to covering the sex show for 5 year olds (see thread on here) they've also got a fab article from the awesome Julie Bindel:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10700875/JULIE-BINDEL-week-Britain-finally-came-senses-trans-extremists-cried-ENOUGH.html

The comments underneath this are so positive.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/04/2022 21:54

Hopefully Linguini we'll eventually get round to challenging the ridiculous IPSO guidelines - articles like this perfectly demonstrate how articles telling lies like this is gaslighting the population.

FannyCann · 09/04/2022 22:11

FFS. If this person is mentally ill then they should be transferred to a suitable facility. If not then these demands should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

Are prison warders going to be expected to change the nappies? I really sympathise with them that they seem not to be able to establish/maintain any boundaries. What a job. Don't they have rights? To not to have to pander to these degenerate behaviours?

I'm going to thank the DM for further shining the light. Though I wish I hadn't seen it.

FOJN · 09/04/2022 22:43

She has also demanded guards hold her hand when she leaves her cell.

In a women's prison, would those guards be female?

Started living as a woman in 2016, transferred to a women's prison in 2018, in 2020 claims they had not had a psychological assessment since they started living as a woman. So absolutely no documentary evidence of gender dysphoria for an inmate who the prison service describes as difficult and plays mind games.

I look forward to the reassurances that a man who killed their cell mate was risk assessed.

Ghislainedefeligonde · 09/04/2022 23:16

Hang on they are in a women’s prison? Despite previously killing their cell mate whilst still in a men’s prison. Imagine how frightening that must be for the other women inmates (and probably for the prison guards as well if they are female)

Trampitt · 09/04/2022 23:21

A grown adult can change his own nappy.

Can buy his own nappies too.

FOJN · 09/04/2022 23:34

Hang on they are in a women’s prison?

From the Daily Mail:

Eastwood takes testosterone blockers and has been in women's prisons since 2018.

It would seem so, self ID'd into a women's prison.

How do you risk assess a prisoner with a history of violence and manipulative behaviour without a psychological evaluation? I'd really like to know if that's true, if it is then I think the Scottish prison service have failed in their duty to maintain female prisoners safety.

I can't even process where this ends if they insist they have to take this seriously because of the prisoners human rights. Are there any limits to what we are prepared to indulge if some one utters the magic words, "I identify as...".

Galvantula · 09/04/2022 23:43

And the SPS have no policy for prisoners identifying as babies?

How wtf-phobic.

Honestly just when you think you might have seen it all with this shit... 🤯

Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/04/2022 23:56

Why don't they simply say no?
Why are they going along with this absolute bullshit? Why?? They don't have to.

Send the fucker back to the men's prison with his nappies and dummy and he can ask his cell mate to hold his hand.

nepeta · 10/04/2022 00:32

I was told by a psychiatrist once that individuals with paraphilias often have more than one.

Peaness · 10/04/2022 00:41

She decided that she would "trans" from a man to woman, which is becoming more common in jails these days.

And when is this going to be subject to scrutiny?

Crcohetmonster · 10/04/2022 00:42

May be drink. May be deleted but fuck this shit. This is a male belongs Iin a male prison

lady69 · 10/04/2022 01:53

@Crcohetmonster

May be drink. May be deleted but fuck this shit. This is a male belongs Iin a male prison
They belong in asylum for the criminally insane. Indefinitely. Total freakshow
chaosrabbitland · 10/04/2022 02:03

God, it just gets ever more stranger . but now though i have decided I'm self identifying as a cat. it just means no more work ever . my food being brought prepared and put in front of me when im hungry and the house being kept nice and warm for all the times im asleep on beds and couches .the more I think about it the easier it sounds and not too much of an ask

NitroNine · 10/04/2022 02:49

The article in the Daily Record has a few more details I think - it’s good the Mail picked it up though to get the wider circulation.

Really hope that someone steps in soon to remind SPS that facilitating prisoners’ kinks is not, in fact, their responsibility. After all, if they agree to this how can they refuse to support prisoners in identifying as other ethnicities; as disabled when they’re not; as having eczema that requires silk underwear & their clothes being washed separately & specially; as being eligible to transfer to open prisons the instant they arrive in Cat A…? They already have issues with prisoners identifying as Orthodox Jews [at mealtimes only] to get better food, in a good example of “shocking revelation: dishonest people are dishonest; liars lie; & Bad People will exploit any & every opportunity that presents itself to them” Hmm

Of course, maybe they’re actually hoping to stop the madness with this: having been made to do the one, what is the justification for declining the other? How/why can one be said to be real & “valid”; but not the other?

Prisoners holding hands with a prison officer is so SO wildly inappropriate I’m staggered that this individual didn’t get into trouble just for making the request. It can be counted as “use of force” if a Prison Officer use the “guiding hand technique” (Prison Officer puts a hand on inmate’s elbow to steer them) to direct an inmate to move in a certain direction/to a certain location. Holding hands while accompanying an inmate blurs into that as well as the more obvious i. it simply screams “inappropriate relationship” & ii. it sets prison officers up for accusations of passing contraband. Although it’s about the US system, this JAAPL Article on “Professional boundaries in Corrections” is highly relevant. In this instance it is the inmate who is trying to force a breakdown of boundaries - staff are apparently aware this individual is manipulative but they are still going along with their demands*.

  • Perhaps being forced to by a disconnected & politically-motivated management who refuse to hear concerns? Certainly there seems to be a disconnect between “this person is dangerous & manipulative” and “we’ve provided them with a dummy & are working out how to fulfil their other arrogations”.
Snugglepumpkin · 10/04/2022 03:04

I wonder what would happen if one of the genuine female prisoners tried to do this.

I bet they'd be told to stop messing about & ignored because they weren't born male.

FannyCann · 10/04/2022 03:50

Also in the Mail today.

Women can be strip-searched by trans officers who were born male
mol.im/a/10703327

FannyCann · 10/04/2022 03:54

New guidelines issued to forces around the country state: 'Chief Officers are advised to recognise the status of Transgender colleagues from the moment they transition, considered to be, the point at which they present in the gender with which they identify.
'Thus, once a Transgender colleague has transitioned, they will search persons of the same gender as their own lived gender.'

So if the officer does as MP Jamie Wallis has done and continues to dress as a man and use he/him pronouns does that count? Or would he not "present" as a woman yet and it not apply to him until he puts on a wig and a dress?

Somanysocks · 10/04/2022 04:52

Surprised he hasn't identified as innocent of all charges and demanding to be released immediately.

It's no more ridiculous than what he's doing already.

puffyisgood · 10/04/2022 05:52

Oxygen thief.

Believerinbiology · 10/04/2022 10:33

More info in the posts on feminist chat. He says he killed his cellmate because he thought it would get him transferred to a psych hospital. Was transferred from one women's prison to another for having sex with another male who says he's a women in front of the actual women prisoners...

Artichokeleaves · 10/04/2022 10:46

Managing extremely difficult, dangerous and quite possibly extremely unwell prisoners where it's a case of day to day containment for the long term with minimal possible risk to staff and inmate might require staff to pick the lesser of two evils - for example if this inmate will peacefully walk out of their cell if holding a teddy, but will go berserk and require a six person unlock and probably hurt several in the process without it, then give them the bloody teddy. It's about day to day containment.

But absolutely yes to boundaries around inappropriate relationships, and this is individualised management. This absolutely should not start leaking over into creating the idea of trans age and then enabling it.

The more I think about all this the more I start thinking - everyone's boundaries are absolutely fucked in society at the moment, there's a real dearth of healthy ones. And that as soon as the TQ+ factor becomes involved, common sense is abandoned.

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