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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What JK Rowling actually said

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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/04/2022 16:59

I have been asked this a few times recently, more so today after the ridiculous articles about the new Fantastic Beasts film.

So here it is. What did JK Rowling really say about trans poeple that led to her being branded a transphobe, a TERF and all the other shouty things.

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

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SunniDelite · 08/04/2022 17:03

I doubt if any of our snipers will dare to read it. They might find she's not transphobic, then what will they do with all their pent-up misogyny?

Deliriumoftheendless · 08/04/2022 17:06

Ah yes, but if you take the first letter of each word, move them along by three letters, take out all the vowels, jumble them around, replace every other E O and I, translate into Latin, run through google translate you get what she really meant.

Read about it on the internet.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/04/2022 17:27

@Deliriumoftheendless you have so convinced me! I'm out!

Grin
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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/04/2022 17:30

Also, the letter L features in Rowling, Hitler and Stalin, so that proves she is a mass murderer.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/04/2022 17:31
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nepeta · 08/04/2022 17:33

Her initial tweet was about the way the female sex is not allowed to have a name at all, because now 'women and girls' are just abstract feelings in a head of a person of either sex.
Once you do that change (forced upon us by a small group) to our language, then of course it is the case that those who menstruate are no longer covered by calling them 'women and girls'.

Her anger was at women, as a sex, being erased, and what that would mean for the defense of women's rights or the fight against sex-based oppression on the global level.

Or that's how I read her, and it struck a bell because I am a woman in an embodied sense, i.e. because I live with a female body and because others have treated me a certain way due to that body not being male (including sexual violence and misogyny). Now nobody is allowed to be a woman on that basis, and that erasure is a truly dreadful consequence of the new gender ideology.

oliviastwisted · 08/04/2022 17:36

I just showed it to my daughter she is really upset by how transphobic JK Rowling is ConfusedConfused

So disappointed that she has been so taken in by gender ideology but she has been.

GingerPCatt · 08/04/2022 17:40

As far as I can tell, not worshiping at the alter of gender ideology or expressing a a modicum of 'oh hang on a minute' doubt at even the most batshit stuff TRA come out with, is tranphobic.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/04/2022 17:40

Oh Olivia! That's so disappointing, You do expect your kids to be able to read all of the words, don't you?

How did she manage to blank out these two paragarphs? Were they too far down the page? Maybe asking her to read them out loud, separately might help - I am being slightly, but only slightly, facetious here! It might help make your DD think again, maybe, p'raps!?

JKR typed:

I believe the majority of trans-identified people not only pose zero threat to others, but are vulnerable for all the reasons I’ve outlined. Trans people need and deserve protection. Like women, they’re most likely to be killed by sexual partners. Trans women who work in the sex industry, particularly trans women of colour, are at particular risk. Like every other domestic abuse and sexual assault survivor I know, I feel nothing but empathy and solidarity with trans women who’ve been abused by men.

So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe. When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman – and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones – then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside. That is the simple truth.

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oliviastwisted · 08/04/2022 18:03

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist I laterally reread those sections immediately after and then I read a recent Debbie Hayton piece pertaining to Boris Johnstone’s recent intervention but she has been completely taken in by this stuff it is so disappointing. Absolutely gutted.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 08/04/2022 18:08

Oooh! How old is she? Young enough to be all idealistic and emotional about it?

There's time.... just keep smiling. She will see it one day! They all will. Because women don't have willy's and, sadly, sex based discrimination is real.

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Chosenonesneakymincepie · 09/04/2022 08:16

I was on one of the LOJ threads on fb asking if he could relate to JKR as he claims he has been bullied by Suzanne Moore. One TRA had a huge rant about how JKR had said something that lead the the death of a transwomen in Puerto Rico 🤔. I ignored as their whole rant was quite bonkers!

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 09/04/2022 08:18

She's never been transphobic, it's just a word they like to throw out which is loosing its meaning. Nowadays people aren't interested in reading the actual facts and making a decision, they just listen to the loudest people.

Deliriumoftheendless · 09/04/2022 08:26

It has lost its meaning.

As soon as activists started saying anyone who doesn’t believe a man is literally a woman and vice versa is as bad as violent murderers who kill trans people the word was rendered useless.

Nidan2Sandan · 09/04/2022 08:31

*‘Parents online were describing a very unusual pattern of transgender-identification where multiple friends and evenentire friend groupsbecame transgender-identified at the same time. I would have been remiss had I not considered social contagion and peer influences as potential factors.’

Littman mentioned Tumblr, Reddit, Instagram and YouTube as contributing factors to Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, where she believes that in the realm of transgender identification ‘youth have created particularly insular echo chambers.*

This really hit home to me..DD13 is in a friendship group of all girls who all identify as either trans males. None of them particularly try to look like boys, they were girls clothes for example and seem to inter-change their names from their given name to their "trans" name at will.

My DD is the only one who isnt acting in this way, but she came out and used the term transphobic to DH the other day. It was a joke on her part but it meant myself and DH had to sit down and talk with her clearly about the trans activists agenda.

I'm worried she will one day decide she wants to fit in with her peers and suddenly decide to become a boy or whatever. I'll always support her, but it all just feels world away from my teenage years.

Seealie · 09/04/2022 09:01

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Humbold · 09/04/2022 09:54

Hadn't read it in a while so thanks OP for linking to it. Always good to re-read and remind myself of what a good piece of writing it was.

I recently saw an instagram account that features a transwoman and their wife and family - the account talks about mental health, family life, fashion, trans issues/activism etc...and they were berating JKR. It was mind-boggling the way they had built JKR up into this pantomime-esque evil villain. It's like they'd completely lost all sense and reason.

I think they said something along the lines of JKR 'shitting hate' with her 'dirty mouth'. They were such unpleasantly graphic, hateful words coming from this benign-looking transwoman who, with their wife, constantly talks about 'being kind' and 'lovely' and 'accepting' of everyone. It made me actually want to read JKR's piece again just in case I'd missed something that might have provoked such hatefulness.

I know there have been other statements and postings on Twitter but really? I'm so glad JKR is not being cowed by these ridiculous portrayals of her as some evil, crazed woman.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 09/04/2022 10:43

Argh! A deleted post? If anyine saw it and remebers could they message me please? I am trying to keep up with the mad hattery, quotes, concepts and denials all welcome to my lists Smile

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oliviastwisted · 09/04/2022 12:19

*This really hit home to me..DD13 is in a friendship group of all girls who all identify as either trans males. None of them particularly try to look like boys, they were girls clothes for example and seem to inter-change their names from their given name to their "trans" name at will.

My DD is the only one who isnt acting in this way, but she came out and used the term transphobic to DH the other day. It was a joke on her part but it meant myself and DH had to sit down and talk with her clearly about the trans activists agenda.

I'm worried she will one day decide she wants to fit in with her peers and suddenly decide to become a boy or whatever. I'll always support her, but it all just feels world away from my teenage years.*

I could have written this word for word. I strongly suspect DD will be gay, she has had a “relationship” with a peer. There are me talking health issues among the group as well and I suspect the identity is helping gain attention for those issues among some of them.

MamaSaidTheredBeDaysLikeThis · 09/04/2022 13:35

Mads Mikkelsen, who’s in the new Fantastic Beasts film, on JKR’s “controversy”:

“People treat it a little flippantly, like, ‘Isn’t that a disgrace?’ And every time you ask somebody, you can’t really figure out what she said. But if the reaction is that crazy, we have to be very careful that we know what we’re talking about.” He admits he hasn’t read her essay and isn’t familiar with her views.
“I have a habit of not commenting on things that I don’t know anything about, and I actually think that would suit the entire world.”

I think that’s fair. And a good get-out!

KatVonlabonk · 26/07/2022 20:55

Just seen this shocking story. Now women sticking up for their rights are somehow pro child trafficking..... or something.
These. People. Are. Nuts.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/uk-news/jk-rowling-told-terf-principles-27469976#

JacquelinePot · 26/07/2022 21:15

That might be the most pathetic, petty, small-minded thing I've seen yet, and that is saying something! He sounds like a 12 year old school bully

IcakethereforeIam · 26/07/2022 22:28

The Scottish Daily Express has a very apposite typo, "pubic statement"Grin

Circumferences · 26/07/2022 22:35

The JKR hatred in gender extremists is rather ubiquitous isn't it.

I was on a Facebook chat just the other day, a friend of mine posted about that god awful list of who in America is affected by Roe v Wade being overturned that doesn't say "women"...

Anyway a friend of hers popped up who has a transgender son so obviously agrees with it all hook line and sinker, and within three comments this friend dropped "and JKR can go fuck herself" No one had mentioned JKR!

So great, brilliant, friends on FB are openly posting GC stuff, but damn, JKR is still being randomly told to fuck herself despite being nothing to do with the conversation.

TheBestBitch · 26/07/2022 22:52

I’ve never read that full piece before, how fantastic and nuanced and reasonable is it?

I ❤️ JKR. I’m also proud that my 25 yo son recently challenged a friend of his who declared her transphobic, pointing out that she wasn’t - so my ranting at home hasn’t been wasted!