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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

stonewall - what do they actually do?

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 06/04/2022 12:33

Ive read that SW have had 7 million funding a year.

That's a LOT of money - what have they DONE with it?

Why do we have awful waiting lists for gender clinics, no trans only refuges, no research, no guidelines, no evidence based training for healthcare staff, no common sense?

It can't have cost that much to fund rainbow shoelaces.

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sharksarecool · 07/04/2022 07:11

I just read the link about the ACE spectrum. It's actually laughable - it looks like a parody.
"Asexual people face prejudice and duscrimination in the UK" - Really? People are discriminated against for not wanting to have sex or be in a relationship. Where? How? In employment? Housing?

"Ace conversion therapy"; ""dehumanising myths and misconceptions"; "significant barriers to living their lives freely".

I really hope Stonewall decide to run with this because it will show everyone how batshit they really are

OhHolyJesus · 07/04/2022 07:23

Well based on this they may do less of whatever it is they do do, as government funding might not be forthcoming.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

twitter.com/soppystern/status/1511718689485332481?s=08

donquixotedelamancha · 07/04/2022 07:47

"Asexual people face prejudice and duscrimination in the UK" - Really? People are discriminated against for not wanting to have sex or be in a relationship. Where? How? In employment? Housing?

When I've seen Genderists try to justify this the only examples they could give were:

  • Friends and family keep asking about their relationship status.
  • Holidays are sometimes more expensive for single people than couples.
  • Lots of images of couples in popular culture.
bellinisurge · 07/04/2022 07:52

I'm pretty "asexual" . Don't fancy it much. Never really have. Apart from when I do. I'm pretty "gender no -conforming" too. What discrimination have I ever suffered because of it. Absolutely none. Nada. Zilch. Zip. And do you know something else? Never felt the need to talk about it to the entire world and fake some sort of experience of oppression. I have other things in my life which have meant I have suffered prejudice. Being a woman being the main one.

AmericanStickInsect · 07/04/2022 08:05

They could have done and be doing so much more. They could be supporting lesbian couples financially to afford to conceive for example.

bellinisurge · 07/04/2022 08:15

The utter arrogance and money grabbing hucksters who suggest that me rolling my eyes when I see lovey dovey couples is the same experience as someone getting beaten up and called "queer" because they are a lesbian or gay man. In fact telling me I'm part of "the queer community " because I'm not up for sex much. Or I prefer a sexual relationship with strong romantic feelings (isn't that demisexual - I lose track of the bollocks).
Jesus, they are charlatans.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 07/04/2022 08:22

If you are puzzled by Stonewall's priorities, read this blog by a retired civil servant and former Labour policy developer, on how activists reacted to proposals to improve health services for trans people. It's very long, but also very, very worth reading.

But here's part of the conclusion:

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So if the content of the manifesto came as a surprise to anyone that it should not have come as a surprise to, it was because they were absent, or not paying attention, or not interested. It is simply absurd to suggest that in any case the holder of portfolio responsibility was blindsided. Absurd and quite untrue.

But what interests me more than Heather’s occasionally erroneous account of events is the emphasis of what matters to the comrades of LGBT Labour.

The whole unnecessary fuss — and the subsequent unhelpful media narrative — arose from their utter discontent that the Labour Party had committed to continuing the legal entitlements of women (and men), as defined by the protected characteristic of sex, to be allowed service provisions on the basis of their sex when — and only when — it was a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim to define access to such services on the basis of sex and not on the basis of a differently defined ‘gender’.

This may well not be the policy of LGBT Labour but it is long standing Labour Party policy. It was not changed when we introduced the Gender Recognition Act in 2004 and it was explicitly underscored by the Equality Act in 2010. It has never been changed by decision of our Conference, or by a decision of the Courts, or by a statement from any Party Leader, or by the wording of any election manifesto, or by any policy announcement. It wasn’t even considered controversial until after the 2016 report of the Westminster Parliament’s Women and Equalities Select Committee, which itself did not accept the recommendations along similar lines submitted in the evidence provided by trans rights lobbyists including Stonewall.

But it dismayed trans people, according to Heather’s account and the actions of pop-up people like Ellie-Mae and her ilk. It dismayed the pop up people and LGBT Labour because it was the removal of the established legal rights of women that interested them.

Nowhere, ever, have I seen any recognition from any of them of the astonishingly bold, tangible and very expensive commitment that we gave to improve the lives of trans people by ensuring adequate and much improved access to health care services.

It’s not because they didn’t know.

It’s because that’s not what they’re interested in.

lachlanstuart.medium.com/the-confessions-of-a-transphobe-b4942c06e6e4

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 07/04/2022 08:25

Basically, they are going to identify more and more different personality types and define them as groups so they can make cash advocating on their behalf

It's the woke equivalent of Big Pharma introducing medication which causes mass side effects, then profiting from the sales of meds to counteract the side effects.

IstayedForTheFeminism · 07/04/2022 08:36

@donquixotedelamancha

"Asexual people face prejudice and duscrimination in the UK" - Really? People are discriminated against for not wanting to have sex or be in a relationship. Where? How? In employment? Housing?

When I've seen Genderists try to justify this the only examples they could give were:

  • Friends and family keep asking about their relationship status.
  • Holidays are sometimes more expensive for single people than couples.
  • Lots of images of couples in popular culture.
As a single (but not asexual) person. I can confirm it is fucking boring when people constantly ask why I'm still single. What I've done to meet someone. Everytime the lone (and therefore potentially single) man walked past my tent on holiday last year my family made comments about him coming to check me out, "if we hear you leaving your tent in the middle of the night we know where you'll be", blah blah. It's boring. It's not funny.

But it is also not prejudice or discrimination. Its my family being a bunch of insensitive, not funny, twats.

Rightsraptor · 07/04/2022 08:48

I'd wondered too if any complaints about Stonewall have been made to the Charity Commission. You have to contact any Charity you are concerned about first, I believe, to try to sort the issue out directly, which seems fair enough, before approaching the CC.

One thing charities are not allowed to do is lobby for the removal of rights, iirc. Which SW have done and are doing with their mania to remove sex-based rights & protections.

sashh · 07/04/2022 08:52

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

Basically, they are going to identify more and more different personality types and define them as groups so they can make cash advocating on their behalf

It's the woke equivalent of Big Pharma introducing medication which causes mass side effects, then profiting from the sales of meds to counteract the side effects.

Yep.

I'm waiting for MAP, that might actually wake people up.

TheCurrywurstPrion · 07/04/2022 09:00

@sharksarecool

I just read the link about the ACE spectrum. It's actually laughable - it looks like a parody. "Asexual people face prejudice and duscrimination in the UK" - Really? People are discriminated against for not wanting to have sex or be in a relationship. Where? How? In employment? Housing?

"Ace conversion therapy"; ""dehumanising myths and misconceptions"; "significant barriers to living their lives freely".

I really hope Stonewall decide to run with this because it will show everyone how batshit they really are

It’s bollocks, isn’t it? There’s no general discrimination against something invisible. Lesbian and gay couples are visible if they act the same as heterosexual couples, therefore protection is required if they are treated badly because of being seen to be in a lesbian or gay relationship.

But if you don’t want to have sex, nobody needs to know. It might be hard to find a partner, but that’s not something that can be legislated for. So the only thing left seems to be publicity, and surely most people will be aware that people have differing levels of interest in sex and/or romantic relationships.

While I also don’t want to stigmatize bi people either, unless they’re in a same sex relationship, they also probably don’t need extra legal protections.

When you move away from practical aims, such as gaining equality through law for people who have significant differences that impact their daily lives in a general sense (as opposed to in private relationships) then I feel it all becomes vapid and pointless.

Polly99 · 07/04/2022 09:23
  1. They put people in ever smaller boxes so that they can claim mis-treatment that needs addressing by them
  1. They provide a mechanism for businesses to carry on as normal while pretending to be a decent working environment for people who are not white men. I'd rather like to know how many companies and law firms high up in Stonewalls index spend significant sums settling sex and race discrimination claims each year. I'm going to bet it is quite a few.
Beowulfa · 07/04/2022 09:30

What the fuck are they doing about homophobia in men's sport, specifically football?

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/04/2022 09:39

They just keep creating issues so they remain relevant. Charge you for solving problems that they themselves caused.

A sexuality is only being pushed because it was the defence for rendering children infertile with no sexual desire or function due to use of puberty blockers. Let's face it how you feel about 99.9 percent of people 99.9 percent of the time or normal aspects of hetero/bi/homo sexuality ( ie needing an emotional connection with someone to have sex with them) are all now apparent part of the asexual category. What's with the keed to label everyone. You cant create a situation where everyone is supposed to be open honest loud and proud and openly display their sexuality then complain that asking questions and being interested in someone's relationship ( something previously peope would have toned down for the work place or be told to get on with your school work) given its probably not appropriate conversation at many a work place, is now discrimination against a sexual people. I mean you created this interest/obsession and now that's somehow bigotry too Confused

Its all one big con. Its like paying someone to dent your car then paying them to fix it.

Duracellbunnywannabe · 07/04/2022 09:41

@Crcohetmonster

What rights do asexual people not have?
To be part of the alphabet soup. To be able to bleat about sexuality on social media?

I don’t know but I would like to.

Artichokeleaves · 07/04/2022 11:46

@Beowulfa

What the fuck are they doing about homophobia in men's sport, specifically football?
Oh bugger all. No money and rainbows and glittery shit in that, is there?

Anyway. Homophobia is In with Stonewall, 'cos people being homosexual are refusing to ''unlearn their genital bias', and 'learn to cope' with unwanted straight sex or to stop 'selfishly prioritising their own orgasms' and provide people with more needs with them with sexual input. They're not welcome at Pride.

However this is definitely not conversion therapy. No one knows what conversion therapy is, there's no definition, but this behaviour towards homosexual people to stop being homosexual and do straight sex or be punished is definitely not it.

And everyone's wondering why Johnson has said, look this is a lot of incoherent muddle, and that's not a sheep, it's quite possibly a wolf and that Emperor's looking definitely chilly fuck this, it needs way more sorting out, thought and debate for a lot of very controversial issues before it goes anywhere near law.

BigWoollyJumpers · 07/04/2022 12:22

Well they already include "bi" in all their questionnaire stats for "trans", so they are already having to desperately increase the numbers for those who are apparently lacking in rights, and need their support.

They are busily inventing huge numbers of groups who actually are teeny, tiny, minorities, and making up issues that they "know" exist, because they did a questionnaire, and out of the 50 people who responded, 50% said so.

BootsAndRoots · 07/04/2022 13:10

@Beowulfa

What the fuck are they doing about homophobia in men's sport, specifically football?
The Rainbow Laces campaign.

They actually do a lot of campaigning (or perhaps that should be advertising) in football.

Yet for all that they do, and all what the footballers say, no current professional footballer (in the whole of Europe) has come out.

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/04/2022 13:13

Yet for all that they do, and all what the footballers say, no current professional footballer (in the whole of Europe) has come out

Thing is though aren't we measuring success with something that people are perfectly within their rights to not divulge. Its something we cant realky know. Do they feel they can't or do they just like privacy in a world where social media informs you your mum.died befire the police do.

Whatwouldscullydo · 07/04/2022 13:24

And also frankly I think its disgusting that people like SW lull these people into a false sense of security. Charge for the lip service of sping paperwork ans making a big show of certificates and laces which make all the straight allies feel good about themselves. Bit the truth is you don't own opinions or thoughts and they simply aren't there to deal with the shit that follows.

Tiphaine · 07/04/2022 13:50

Exactly Scully. There no depth or substance to any of these campaigns. How does Stonewall giving out rainbow laces at universities' post-grad open days do anything to address homophobia in pub football teams? It's preaching to the converted and utterly superficial.

VelvetChairGirl · 07/04/2022 14:13

@donquixotedelamancha

"Asexual people face prejudice and duscrimination in the UK" - Really? People are discriminated against for not wanting to have sex or be in a relationship. Where? How? In employment? Housing?

When I've seen Genderists try to justify this the only examples they could give were:

  • Friends and family keep asking about their relationship status.
  • Holidays are sometimes more expensive for single people than couples.
  • Lots of images of couples in popular culture.
Can they stand up and lobby for single mums then?

pretty fed up with competitions offering holidays for 2 adults and 2 children.

I have not been on holiday since 2002 but I bet the offers are different between 2 adults and 2 childen packages and 1 adult with 1+ children.

all those pictures/films etc about happy families with 2 parents.

then all those storys about scummy single parent families and their scummy kids etc

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/04/2022 15:57

Had a look at the exec and trustees. One medic, who works in sexual health and HIV, two lawyers one in white collar crime and the other doesn't look to have done much practicing as a solicitor, the rest are all 3rd sector backgrounds apart from an environmentalist and a helicopter pilot.

SERIOUSLY?

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