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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

California city focuses on creating trans rights, instead of granting them women's rights

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 06/04/2022 03:19

Independent article tonight. Not sure how reliable the explanations of what's going on local politics there actually are - the number of typing errors made me doubt the quality of the paper's factchecking - but it's interesting.

For once, the focus has been on identifying what particular needs trans people might have, and how best to meet those needs; as opposed to fighting for them to be treated as women and to have equal access to the tiny amount of things ringfenced to meet women's needs (e.g. women's-only changing rooms, and hospital wards).

It seems far more productive!

Headline: A California city has approved a study of guaranteed income plan for trans residents to address widespread disparities.

Subheading: Nonprofit groups mull pilot programme to combat disproportionate rates of poverty and health issues among transgender and nonbinary residents

The city council in Palm Springs, California unanimously approved the allocation of $200,000 to two nonprofit organisations to study a pilot plan for a universal basic income programme to support transgender and nonbinary residents, the first programme of its kind amid a national wave of legislation aimed at LGBT+ people.

The allocation approved on 24 March was requested by mental health and medical services nonprofits DAP Health and Queer Works, which will design the program, with input from the national Mayors for a Guaranteed Income project, a network of US mayors advocating for guaranteed income plans.

Like other guaranteed income proposals, the initiative – if launched – would provide direct cash payments in an attempt to give marginalised groups a financial life preserve and help reduce wide disparities in healthcare, housing and incomes impacting transgender people.

A pilot version of the programme would provide monthly payments between $600 and $900 to 20 people in Palm Springs, and would enroll another 20 transgender and nonbinary residents who would serve as a control group allowing the organisations to study the degree to which payments and services are most supportive.

“Helping people in need to better their life circumstances by directly providing them with income is an approach that’s showing great promise,” said DAP Health CEO David Brinkman in a statement. “Our goal is to develop a model that impacts the greatest number of individuals possible. We hope our pilot will help confirm that guaranteed income is a cost-effective way to create positive outcomes.”

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"This is a chance to help individuals receive money … to subsidize the gap in income that the trans and nonbinary community faces due to having some of the highest levels of unemployment in this country,” Queer Works CEO Jacob Rostovsky, who is transgender, said at last week’s city council meeting.

The city’s allocation would also allow the organisations to apply for a share of a $35m fund from the state providing grants to guaranteed income plans around California.

The groups may also turn to the city for additional matching funds, though some city officials appear reluctant to commit to broader funding efforts just yet.

Palm Springs Mayor Lisa Middleton, the first openly transgender mayor in the state, expressed some reservations about the plan while stressing that the need for financial assistance is “absolutely real.” There are over 400,000 people living below the poverty line in Riverside County, she said.

“My serious concern is the ability of these guaranteed income programs to scale up to the magnitude of the issues that are before us,” Mayor Middleton said.

“Such a program to help people in the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer community is unbelievably part of the values of Palm Springs, hands down,” councilman Dennis Woods said. “But we have so many priorities going that I just am not sure we can commit to developing a guaranteed income program long term.”

Mayor Middleton said that the state, not municipalities, should be addressing economic inequality, antipoverty measures and related issues.

“For every individual that we are addressing through these programs, a dozen more are not getting aid through these programmes. and that is a very serious concern,” she said.

Continues: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palm-springs-transgender-ubi-plan-b2051726.html

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JellySaurus · 06/04/2022 07:16

It does not at all sound like the focus has been on identifying what particular needs trans people might have, and how best to meet those needs.

It sounds more like 'join this faith and get this dole'. Will it not simply encourage more people to claim a trans identity, regardless of their true sense of self, in order to access more money?

It does not investigate why people with trans identities experience disproportionate rates of poverty and health issues.

Ultimately, it is exactly the same approach as affirmation.

KittenKong · 06/04/2022 07:22

My sister used to live in San Francisco (she is in a neighbouring state now) and says that they just throw money at problems rather that’s try to solve them.

They have a lot of problems with homelessness and drugs which they don’t address (because they seemingly don’t want to ‘make’ people do things but throw a few $$$$ at it, and don’t solve the actual cause of the issues). People are drawn to the state because of this.

A bit like Kids Company really.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/04/2022 07:26

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought trans people had pretty much already been given women's rights in California? If so then this is something extra - maybe there's a genuine need for more specific support but it doesn't sound like it's instead of appropriating womens rights? (I've only read the extract you've copied not the full piece)

picklemewalnuts · 06/04/2022 07:45

It's a really interesting approach, that superficially I have no issue with.

I'd question who else gets this 'universal' income- people with disabilities?

I'd also question how they will gatekeep- who is trans, after all? I mean, I wear trousers as often as I wear a dress, and I do much more diy than DH. In fact, he does more cleaning than me, so maybe he's trans too...

I'd also question whether spending hours wondering who you are and trying on different looks is actually a state of perpetual teendom, and whether we should actually be encouraging them to grow up rather than subsidising them to maintain a prolonged adolescence.

So on reflection I seem to think it's either a disability or a return to adolescence. Hmm.

Absurdle · 06/04/2022 07:46

Love your positivity, OP. I read a different article about this and I’m afraid it’s unwarranted. Setting aside the clear and obvious stupidity of a free money scheme that is restricted to people who say they’re trans or nonbinary…

The money has been taken from a fund that was intended for pregnant women and young adults leaving care.

Yeah. I know.

www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-29/palm-springs-supports-guaranteed-income-program-for-transgender-community-members

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 06/04/2022 08:20

The money has been taken from a fund that was intended for pregnant women and young adults leaving care.

Of course it was because there's so obviously been a collapse in need from those groups so it's entirely right that it should be repurposed to those in greater need.

I'm sure that I have that right. It's so self-evident. Or it will be when someone gets through implementing all of Lifton's Eight Criteria for Thought Reform so that I can truly repeat all of my education.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

AlisonDonut · 06/04/2022 08:23

[quote Absurdle]Love your positivity, OP. I read a different article about this and I’m afraid it’s unwarranted. Setting aside the clear and obvious stupidity of a free money scheme that is restricted to people who say they’re trans or nonbinary…

The money has been taken from a fund that was intended for pregnant women and young adults leaving care.

Yeah. I know.

www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-29/palm-springs-supports-guaranteed-income-program-for-transgender-community-members[/quote]
Of course it was. Why would we ever think otherwise.

PegasusReturns · 06/04/2022 08:26

I don’t see anything in that article that looks like “the focus has been on identifying what particular needs trans people might have, and how best to meet those needs”

The rights of TW in California trump womens rights every single time

That article is about increasing opportunities by paying universal income. Which I could get behind if it wasn’t diverting money from vulnerable women and girls.

NitroNine · 06/04/2022 09:32

But they’ve not actually looked at their needs nor how best to address them at all. They’ve literally gone “free money for you! YAY!” and managed to punch down on some incredibly vulnerable young women.

They could have done some really useful work here. Are there lots of trans people who would benefit from access to a programme that would allow them to complete their GED? Do they need help writing CVs/filling out job applications - could the city help businesses create trans-friendly applications if there are/have been issues there? Providing interview practice sessions, including guidance on suitable clothing for interviews (& even running shopping trips to big Goodwills or having stuff people could borrow - like you can from some libraries in London). Can the city fund places in rehab for people? Help make sure everyone has whatever health insurance they’re entitled to/can get & that they use it? Check that they’re getting SNAP & any other benefits they may be entitled to? Homeless shelters for trans people? Ones that allow people staying there to drink &/or use weed? Ones that let you be inside during the day?

Absolute & unjustifiable waste of funds - more especially so because they took money meant for a vulnerable group, for doing stuff known to actually help, to give only to SOME people below the poverty line. I’m sure the (for example) single mothers working multiple jobs to barely scrape by - or indeed homeless single mothers still working those multiple jobs - will be delighted by this decision. So fair & even-handed & in no way about appearances over actual need Hmm

JaninaDuszejko · 06/04/2022 09:42

Is it a universal benefit like child benefit once was or a means tested benefit like UC? I suspect we'd be better looking to Europe for a model of support to vulnerable individuals that would make sense in the UK context. I don't think the US are a good place to look for progressive social policies.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 06/04/2022 10:12

[quote Absurdle]Love your positivity, OP. I read a different article about this and I’m afraid it’s unwarranted. Setting aside the clear and obvious stupidity of a free money scheme that is restricted to people who say they’re trans or nonbinary…

The money has been taken from a fund that was intended for pregnant women and young adults leaving care.

Yeah. I know.

www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-29/palm-springs-supports-guaranteed-income-program-for-transgender-community-members[/quote]
Well, there goes my positivity.

I don't know the stats in the US, but in the UK, time in care is heavily linked with serving time in prison as an adult. And in California, they place male prisoners in with female prisoners.

[From blog posted in October, 2021]
In the US state of California the controversial bill, SB 132, took effect in January 2022. It allows male state prison inmates self-identifying as women to transfer into women’s prisons based on “individual preference”, with no hormones, surgery, or time spent living as the opposite sex required. Spokeswoman Terry Thornton of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation says 264 male prisoners have requested a transfer to women’s facilities under this law.

yac.news/blogs/protect/male-rapists-are-being-allowed-into-womens-prisons

I thought this might be the dawn of a new era of recognising that they were a separate demographic and shouldn't be simply shoved into the 'woman' box. Obviously not.

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Monitaurus · 06/04/2022 12:54

Do women and girls leaving prostitution get this kind of help, or disabled people or anyone else without jobs or homes? If not then there is no justification for such policies.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 06/04/2022 16:15

Offering women and girls help to exit prostitution gets you called a SWERF, so I doubt it

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Signalbox · 06/04/2022 16:18

Headline: A California city has approved a study of guaranteed income plan for trans residents to address widespread disparities

Won't loads of people just ID as trans for the money?

DelurkingLawyer · 06/04/2022 16:18

[quote Absurdle]Love your positivity, OP. I read a different article about this and I’m afraid it’s unwarranted. Setting aside the clear and obvious stupidity of a free money scheme that is restricted to people who say they’re trans or nonbinary…

The money has been taken from a fund that was intended for pregnant women and young adults leaving care.

Yeah. I know.

www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-29/palm-springs-supports-guaranteed-income-program-for-transgender-community-members[/quote]
One for all the “rights aren’t pie” brigade. Yes they are a pie and it’s one that’s been taken away from pregnant women and care leavers.

nepeta · 06/04/2022 17:05

Are the participants in the trial screened for their income levels and employment? I hope that they are, because clearly not all individuals in that group are automatically also poor (as the mayor and the CEO quoted in the clips identify into that group themselves).

I have nothing against such experiments, but I do wish to see similar experiments for young people leaving care and for single parents and so on if they suffer the same levels of unemployment and poverty.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 06/04/2022 21:35

@Signalbox

Headline: A California city has approved a study of guaranteed income plan for trans residents to address widespread disparities

Won't loads of people just ID as trans for the money?

I am curious about the eligibility criteria.
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Rainbowshit · 06/04/2022 22:06

It's self id there though isn't it?

This is just more of the trans is scared thing isn't it? It's just so bizarre. They're mostly just normal people.

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