The Erasure of Women

[sacredfeminina]

So, so sad.

(As found on Twitter. No link to company . Link: mobile.twitter.com/alexstein99/status/1510734635470368774/photo/1)

It’s interesting. Not all TM will undertake a medical transition but many will undergo testosterone treatment. This will result in the change of change of the body, muscle development etc. It will also result in the growth of hair on the face and chest. Now undertaking testosterone treatment will usually mean that periods will end approx 6 months from the start of treatment. For those TM in the picture with beards and chest hair, could it be assumed that they have undergone testosterone treatment and as result, they no longer have periods?

This is just so sad. Most of these transmen would probably identify as heterosexual which means they are lesbian. A majority of trans women identify as lesbian. If the trans lobby didn't push lesbians to accept 'female' penis haters then I would guess that these young transmen could live their lives as butch women. It really messes with your head, but basically men wanting to present as women means that natal women need to undergo surgery. Horrifying

That Twitter page has gone now.
(Don't transmen generally take testosterone to get more masculine features, deeper voice, and facial hair, the result of which is also suppression of menstruation, which they do not want anyway? So a win-win for them? )
I listened to a speech by the brilliant Scottish physio Elaine Miller about how taking male hormones also can bring about early menopause in young transmen and how concerned she was for their future health as a result of this.
It was funny and sobering and sad.

Sorry, cross post with Mysteryclub

I listened to a speech by the brilliant Scottish physio Elaine Miller about how taking male hormones also can bring about early menopause in young transmen and how concerned she was for their future health as a result of this
(It was funny and sobering and sad*

There is/was a transman on YouTube who was trying to avoid a hysterectomy but was suffering with frequent bleeding as a result of oestrogen still somehow winning the battle against the testosterone they were taking. The answer to this was to remain on puberty blockers. Which is obviously an extremely worrying course if action given the side effects /danger of these meds short term, despite the denial, let alone long term.

The thing is, all those 'people' could actually be people who identify as women who happen to have all had mastectomies for medical reasons. How reductive to assume that you can only look like that of you are a trans man.

That's how I see that image, anyway. It says to me, you can't be a woman if your body looks like that, even if you bleed. You need tits or else you are 'people'.

All that cosmetic surgery to change how one looks because their body is perceived as having an unsatisfactory level of femininity.

It's not "wrong", imo, on any individual level - it's just sad that this is still where we are. It was sad when it was page 3 models doing it and it's sad now.

@Turningpurple

Its odd because I saw on twitter that the LBG alliance 'literally erases trans people'.

The LBG alliance doesn't and isn't erasing trans people. But this is campaign definitely trying to erase women, but that appears to be ok.

they should never have been tacked on in the first place, trans isnt a sexuality. some are gay most are straight.

I am not gay but I find it very odd they were included by stonewall in the first place and why the membership(?) wasnt up in arms about it, same goes for Asexual they are not a sexuality they just arent interested in any of that sort of thing.

my aunt and sister were/are asexual, they just got/get on with life and had/ have no interested in things they were/are not interested in, neither of them would join a silly club like stonewall what the hell would they be fighting for?

Well velvet there has been a big push on asexuality I suspect because of the fact it was used to justify puberty blockers on children. It apparently doesn't matter if those children have now sexual function and are infertile because some would go on to be asexual anyway 🙄

Trouble is the T doesn't stand up on its own. It relies on being linked with other things such as the lgb and race in.irser to avoud questioning. Weird given its such a racist and homophobic ideology but that's how it is.

Females, semi naked, being used to market products.

I mean, this is a first, right?

Someone fixed the image.

@EdgeOfACoin

TRAs occasionally like to play the game "well, if you let transmen into women's spaces, then what if a man decides to pose as a transman!?!?"

It's interesting, isn't it. On the whole, I tend to think that ftm transitioners pass as biological men far better than mtf transitioners pass as biological women. But that's when they are fully clothed.

Having seen that picture, I really would not have any concerns about sharing a changing room with a ftm transitioner.

And actually, the 'well where should a transman change then' question was one I used to ponder when I was newer to this debate.

I think we subconsciously have a default view, to a woman we instantly recognize something thats not us more, i.e transwomen, but we may think a transman looks more normal because our default view is woman so we dont see it as much.

I once had a conversation with a gay man about Page which led me to this conclusion (when Page was posting pictures up of mastectomy and ab implants) we both discussed why it did not look attractive to either of us, him being gay and me being straight we both agreed on the same things, nipples too high, wrist didn't look right too long in the body, arms proportionately too thin etc, he drew attention to the face, things I didnt see, I thought Page just passed as young boyish looking face, he didnt he pointed out features I thought were normal.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Well velvet there has been a big push on asexuality I suspect because of the fact it was used to justify puberty blockers on children. It apparently doesn't matter if those children have now sexual function and are infertile because some would go on to be asexual anyway 🙄

Trouble is the T doesn't stand up on its own. It relies on being linked with other things such as the lgb and race in.irser to avoud questioning. Weird given its such a racist and homophobic ideology but that's how it is.

But asexual isnt the same as none binary it just means you really arent interested in relationships, kids, sex etc for whatever reason.

my sister and aunt are/were very much women, long hair, make up etc my aunt lived in laura ashley and liberty print dresses and was a ferocious career woman, very much a feminist.

my sister is a bit dense but very anti men and anti religion, not sure if she's a feminist I think her denseness stops her seeing the full picture but she certainly gets injustice to an extent, just throws blame in the wrong places (EU and immigrants).

I am as open minded as you can get and I do really really feel for anyone confused about their gender/sex/body parts. It must be horrendous to feel so removed to the body you were born with.

However I am so so so proud of us biological women for taking a stand against us being demeaned, erased and ridiculed.

For biological women it just adds to the shit we have already to deal with.

The world is crazy ... It's been like the emporers new clothes, no one has wanted to stir the pot too much for fear of backlash.

Enough is enough

Well I for one think it’s nice that the TM pictured clearly spend so much time together. I mean look, their periods are synchronised and everything!!!

The central goal of the gender ideology does appear to be the erasure of the female sex as a category which can be named. If 'people' menstruate etc., then the female body has been erased and neutered (not in porn, of course!), and all the neo-genders are 'validated.'

Until very very recently, there was no similar push to erase the names for the male sex. They stayed comfortably men and boys and had the right to accuse others of terfdom if they so chose. Now that they can be routinely asked about possible pregnancy at the doctor's office some of them are beginning to see the light.

But we do need to work on 'ejaculators' becoming routine terminology when discussing erectile dysfunction or who needs condoms, and we need to work very hard to turn Father's Day into Impregnating Parent's Day.

I think getting and keeping Trans Identity Ideology out of schools is now a priority. It has no place there.

The NHS can ill afford the law suits coming its way in the future, if it does not stop causing infertility in youngsters unable to properly consent. This is one area where long waiting lists are a good thing lol but what has driven the increase? Stonewall in schools, social media etc

@Whatwouldscullydo

Well velvet there has been a big push on asexuality I suspect because of the fact it was used to justify puberty blockers on children. It apparently doesn't matter if those children have now sexual function and are infertile because some would go on to be asexual anyway 🙄

Trouble is the T doesn't stand up on its own. It relies on being linked with other things such as the lgb and race in.irser to avoud questioning. Weird given its such a racist and homophobic ideology but that's how it is.

My suspicion is that it is the creation of categories of sexuality as an identity, and the increasing importance of identities in general. Especially for teens but also politically.

Sexuality is one of the more important and politically potent identities at the moment, so if you can't claim one, you are kind of left as a big fat null value. Even heterosexual is bordering on that at the moment.

Sexuality is one of the more important and politically potent identities at the moment, so if you can't claim one, you are kind of left as a big fat null value. Even heterosexual is bordering on that at the moment

Without the addition of letters we are simply left with large numbers if adults over invested with the sexuality of children.

My worry is it removes the red flags also. Hyper sexuality used to be seen as a warning sign for sexual abuse. Now it's ignored of there's a flag/letter involved. And no one seems able to answer the question of why lgbt kids are not entitled to thr same levels of safguarding as the other children.

The photo is horrifying. So much self harm in one image.

What will become of them in ten, 20, 30 years, physically?

@FrancescaContini

The photo is horrifying. So much self harm in one image.

What will become of them in ten, 20, 30 years, physically?

They will sue....

@MrsTerryPratchett

What's with all the tatoos?

They're manly, I guess. Or alt.

@FrancescaContini

The photo is horrifying. So much self harm in one image.

What will become of them in ten, 20, 30 years, physically?

Yes I was just thinking that, how many of them will be happy with themselves in 10 years time? They will have to live with the damage they have done for the rest of their lives. Some of them may not be able to bear children because of the hormones they are taking. How can a teenager possibly calculate that kind of loss?

The picture should have stated Men Have Periods.

The 'people have periods' actually means that 'men, women, and neither have periods'. Writing it out like that makes it very clear that 'women' no longer has anything to do with being of the female sex, and that it has been appropriated and the female sex colonised. What looks like inclusiveness and increases in social justice is actually the reverse, as everyone who has periods must belong to the female sex but now nobody is supposed to state that fact.

I feel terrible about the medical approach as a way of getting out of womanhood. It's about as anti-feminist as anything can be.