Companies that nailed their colours to the mast early on in the gender debate

[Jessasamantha]

38 degrees petition site prompted a memory the other day about them taking down a petition calling for a debate on the GRA, which was then followed by a petition calling out 38 degrees on Change. Found it here

www.change.org/p/38-degrees-38-degrees-stop-silencing-and-censoring-women

Which got me thinking about all of the other companies who made it very clear they were not on the side of women early on in the debate, who perhaps may be reconsidering their misogyny and hoping that we might have forgotten. I have some vague memory of Co-op in the early days refusing to provide banking services to one of the first grass roots women's groups, can anyone confirm? Also Ocado, who sided with Primesight after they took down Kellie-Jay Keen's adult human female advert?

Any others from the early years?

HSBC have pronoun badges don’t they ?

I boycott both Lush and BodyShop

Yep, thank you adding that, I missed out that bit.

I moved my money to Starling after 30+ years as a Barclays customer because of this. It was a very painless experience.

That was a reply to

“ ChristinaXYZ

WhyThatsDelightful
Barclays pushing pronouns to be nice
Barclays did more than that they said we should not try to understand but just do what we're told to be one of the allies.”

Turning this on it’s head, I’d be really interested in any pro-adult human female companies I can make more of an effort to support, anyone have a list?

Weird that this thread exists. I was just thinking about this, this morning.

Topshop no longer exists does it?

@Broadshoulders

Turning this on it’s head, I’d be really interested in any pro-adult human female companies I can make more of an effort to support, anyone have a list?

I would like that too, but some of the activists are so frightening that I expect many companies just don’t dare.

I don’t know about overt support for women, but when hassled didn’t a potato company say they were happy to advertise on Mumsnet?

Amnesty International has recently erased the word for biologically female people (w**n). Not sure how long ago they were taken over.

ACLU in the US is completely captured. Once again, not sure how long ago this happened, but supposedly they won't even take court challenges from what they call 'cis' women. In the past they accepted challenges from all sides of the political aisle if civil liberties appeared to have been violated.

One of their legal experts, a trans man, did tweet on the International Men's Day a couple of years ago about honouring menstruating men. That peaked quite a few men I know.

@Broadshoulders

Turning this on it’s head, I’d be really interested in any pro-adult human female companies I can make more of an effort to support, anyone have a list?

Didn't Findus do good work or did I imagine that?

And remember a lot of these companies are international and will be very slow to change.

Topshop no longer exists does it?

Apparently not. I did not know this when I posted.

Oh, Liberty were captured long ago. I gave up my membership over it, wrote and told them why, and got a really fucking irritating, sneery, patronising response.

This Liberty

www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/

Not the fabric designers.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Oreo nailed their colours to the mast of the good ship Totally Pointless Statements in February 2021 with the classic hit single: Trans people exist.

twitter.com/Oreo/status/1365038991469281280?t=J3P9M-L1vCl5DC0gjDQFxA&s=19

I mean, honestly. Is there anyone out there, at all, who thinks Caitlyn Jenner, Lauren Cox, Rachel Levine, Paris Lees, India Willoughby, Rachel McKinnon and Laurel Hubbard don't exist? Do they think we're under the impression that they're actually just holographic projections? Or computer-generated imagery, like the amazing tiger in the film Life of Pi?

It would have been more useful if Oreo had taken the time to reassure us all that Australia exists; there actually are people out there who think there is no such continent and that it's all a massive conspiracy.

To be honest, I'd have found it less irritating if they had outright said that they thought women shouldn't ever have the right to meet without the presence of males. It would have at least indicated they knew what the debate was about.

Agree. Meaningless statement.

@KittenKong

HSBC have pronoun badges don’t they ?

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Excellent thread. I haven’t been inside a BS for ages, and Lush has always made me feel sick. Amnesty international - shameful.

I boycott Lush and Body Shop.

Centre Parcs response to a trans woman using female changing rooms is what peaked me.

Will be a long time till I donate money to Amnesty International again.

The last time I ever went into Lush was around 2003. I wanted to try some Sandalwood soap and was offered a sample for a quick go. They also offered me a bowl of filthy water to rinse with that looked exactly like the one in that disgusting morning wash scene in 'The 13th Warrior'. I'd watched the film a couple of nights before and this bowl of water could have been the same one - there were gobs of something unnameable floating on the surface and it looked like any number of people had spat phlegm and blown snot into it. Like this:

Never passed the threshold of a Lush again.

Older threads for perusal (this post keeps clearing itself…)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3936313-list-of-businesses-throwing-women-under-the-bus?pg=1

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3935090-Up-to-date-boycott-list

And this one

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4264320-An-alternative-list-of-places-to-buy-from-not-Stonewall-champions?pg=2

I'm keeping posting on this.

I think it's important.

What is especially important is the No Debate.

That was outrageous (and very clever of Stonewall).

Can we send all the Lush products to Sizewell to power the reactors? Or would the resultant waste be even more radioactive than what is produced there already?

The fact that we couldn't even debate was very very clever.

And dangerous.