Ooh Bridget Phillipson has defined ‘woman’

[JanetPluchinsky]

On GMB right now, was asked the question.

She answered ‘I am a woman, I think most people recognise a woman is an adult female, and then there are people who go through a LEGAL PROCESS to be seen as women’ (I’ve paraphrased a bit).

Not the party line at all. That’s cheered me right up this morning. I’ve never heard of her but it’s the first sensible answer I’ve heard from a Labour bod so far.

But does that mean they can just change it and we’ll all vote for them? They believe TWAW.

I bet half of them don't believe it. They just don't want to examine the question too closely. They think it's a niche issue and/or don't want to upset their trans niece.

So we're on to 'biological females and some males who want to be perceived as'.

Great.

Now lets talk about the times and places where those biological males need to respect that those biological females have the right to sex based needs and spaces that are female only.

@Beamur

I think this is the beginning of that conversation though. At the moment the meaning of the word 'woman' has been hijacked. Until politicians can be persuaded to be clear there's no point talking about single sex spaces because they are voided by the woolly descriptions of who can use them.

Good point.

Perhaps the question we need to start asking too is "When women say they need single sex spaces, what do you think they mean by that?"

The fluff of 'female people need and should have single sex spaces and male people should be able to wander into those female people's spaces at will' is ridiculous. It relied on people not unpicking it and thinking. It's 2019 thinking. We're all a lot older and a hell of a lot more cynical now, and its time to call all the bluffs.

but Madeley is of the opinion that
TWAW, im amazed he didnt grill her further

@tootiredtobother

but Madeley is of the opinion that TWAW, im amazed he didnt grill her further

Is he though really?

I think there are very many people who appear to support it who don't actually believe it it a second.

Greycarpet. he answered a letter to his advise column in the Saturday Telegraph affirming his position TWAW cant read that column anymore

Lots of people would say twaw from a be kind and what harm does it do pov. But once you point out that it means having rapists in a women's prison purely on the grounds that they declared themselves to be trans, or the other threats that self ID pose, then they see it differently.
Most people unfamiliar with this still think of re as people who have had full surgery, not people who are fully intact males

I think people get confused by the terms transwoman and transman. To me their meanings should be the other way around

I agree

@Whooshaagh

You are wrong about transmen not having a sense of entitlement.They feel quite entitled to being in gay spaces with the expectation of having sex with gay men.Watch the very entertaining Mr Menno videos or visit [email protected] to get a sense how the entitled behaviour of TMs is alienating and angering gay men

True, but at least they are feeling the need to pretend to care, which is progress of a sort.

Can you trust anything that Labour says though? As far as I'm concerned, it's a resounding "No!"

I think OP is very mistaken to jump for joy over this.

Labour have realised that “What’s a woman?” “Er, I dunno, I’m not going to get drawn into that” is going down like a cup of cold sick.

Perhaps they have read this - www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-is-falling-into-the-tim-farron-trap-on-sex-and-gender

So they are going to change the language so it seems like they have taken a reasonable position when they have not.

Stella Creasy on Politics Live last week said “I’m very clear a woman is an adult female – but some people are born female and some people become female”.

So the position is now this: " women are adult human females, Biology Matters " - thus pleasing most people - but (this now in a very quiet whisper) "some females are males and some males are females, and you can change between male and female as you go along."

The ideology remains the same, the language has just changed.

Unless people are careful they will get away with it. They need to be pressed again and again.