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Stella Creasy's definition of a woman

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BringBackCoffeeCreams · 01/04/2022 15:10

On Politicäs Live yesterday. Challenged on what a woman is, she said that a woman is an adult human female ... CHEERS! ... and some are born and some become women ... BANGS HEAD ON DESK!

(around 26.30)

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015y98/politics-live-31032022

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LittleWhingingWoman · 02/04/2022 02:02

@Billi77

Stella Creasey has met trans people. I suggest you do the same

Several women here have been married to are are still married to trans people. Maybe you should read about their experiences.

lovelyweathertoday · 02/04/2022 06:29

@Billi77

Stella Creasey has met trans people. I suggest you do the same

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/04/2022 13:13

Trans people are simultaneously so high a proportion of the population that we're assured we have shared changing rooms with them without ever noticing, and yet so rare than it's assumed (when convenient) that no-one on this board can have ever met anyone who was trans.

This latter is particularly absurd when so many of us have teenagers, and so come into contact with teens who identify as trans!

CAJIE · 09/01/2023 10:21

Shakespeare dear.

waterwitch · 09/01/2023 10:37

Interested to see Ferring Pharmaceutical’s significant donation to the LibDems highlighted on this board. Anyone know if similar donations have been made directly to the Labour Party? Maybe provision of (free) researchers/junior staff to MP’s was considered sufficient/sufficiently under the radar? <rifles through Denton report to see what tactics were recommended>

Cleoca · 09/01/2023 11:03

PermanentTemporary · 01/04/2022 21:46

Odd that you would assume i haven't, Billi. Just paid a friend for some DIY he did as a favour - he transitioned a few months ago.

Stella Creasy studied at a college which only admitted women ten years before she went there. She was admirably tough on access to abortion for women in Northern Ireland. She forced through provision for maternity leave for herself, which was previously unheard of for MPs. She knows what a woman is. It is very interesting that a whole lot of future Cabinet ministers are suddenly trimming their sails on this. I find it quite hopeful.

SC is a true believer in gender identity. So sadly I don’t think this statement is any kind of shift from her. It’s baffling to me, but it is her genuine belief that TW are also adult human females. So she doesn’t see the two parts of her statement as contradictory, or her work for women as being undermined by her position on gender identity. She just thinks we’re all old fashioned, limited in our thinking, and probably bigots.

Sidaway · 09/01/2023 15:10

FOJN · 01/04/2022 18:48

How do you become an adult human female without being born a human female? A human male can become a transwomen but he can never become an adult human female.

It's the assumption we're stupid which leaves me screaming FUCK OFF.

I did see a tweet by Stella where she said that "male" and "female" are not biological categories, and we need new words for those.

Ergo it's possible for a man to become an adult human female. 🙄

I think it's possible that Stella is a bit thick.

Palemoonlight · 09/01/2023 15:39

On Politicäs Live yesterday. Challenged on what a woman is, she said that a woman is an adult human female ... CHEERS! ... and some are born and some become women ... BANGS HEAD ON DESK!

See I just have no respect for the open intellectual dishonesty in this. Its contemptible.

Palemoonlight · 09/01/2023 15:42

I did see a tweet by Stella where she said that "male" and "female" are not biological categories, and we need new words for those

Yeah she is thick. They are biological categories. They have been colonised by people for whom biological categories are a tiresome inconvenience to their concept.

If we created new words to replace the existing words for those biological categories, the ideologues would therefore need to colonise those too. And then craven people like Creasy would have to pretend those words were not biological categories either.

Sidaway · 09/01/2023 15:55

Rinse and repeat...

nilsmousehammer · 09/01/2023 16:11

Palemoonlight · 09/01/2023 15:39

On Politicäs Live yesterday. Challenged on what a woman is, she said that a woman is an adult human female ... CHEERS! ... and some are born and some become women ... BANGS HEAD ON DESK!

See I just have no respect for the open intellectual dishonesty in this. Its contemptible.

and it should have been robustly challenged, as it would be with anyone capable of impartial and critical thought.

"Hang on Stella.... a woman is an adult human female, and some are born, and some become? Who becomes an adult human female other than a baby girl? Are you saying that a male can become a female? You're saying that a male person can change sex and become a biological human female?"

And that's putting aside the whole, "Stella, what do we call female babies and children?" (When we're not frantically pandering to a male centric and misogynist political lobby that is?)

Absolutely agree with PP: Freedom of belief is a thing. And duty of impartiality and representation in public office is also a thing. Anyone not able to manage the two professionally should not be in a public service role.

Billi, that's about as sensible as me suggesting to you that if you met a female for once in your life you'd see the light and turn rampantly pro female rights.

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