Are there transmen trying to enter male sports?

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There's obviously a lot in the news about male athletes who have transitioned then going to compete against women - absolutely wrong in my view.

Are there also women who have transitioned looking to compete in men's competitions? Or is this not being done because they would lose dramatically?

I wonder if this was happening and men's sport was being impacted if there would be more traction around stopping it or proper guidelines being made as it's "a man's world" out there in many ways...

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I forgot Chris Mosier! Won a high level men's event- an age group run. There were no other entrants in that age group.

There were no other entrants in that age group.

So won an event when only competing against themself. Wow groundbreaking!.

@PermanentTemporary if it helps - Eric Schinegger shouldn't be in the list as he had a DSD of male sexual development which was discovered in the course of sex testing (sounds like it was 5-ARD). He's definitely not a trans man.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6772989/Intersex-skiing-champion-say-transgender-women-NOT-compete-female-events.html

A particularly ludicrous tweet recently claimed that once there were sufficient testosterone-taking transmen in male sport they would start winning, but it was pointed out that we already tried that experiment by doping eastern European women in the 1980s and their records were nowhere near men's. Not to mention the serious and often deadly effects of that level of testosterone on the female body. We're more likely to see transmen leave careers early due to health issues, than have any kind of impact on male sport.

Andreas Krieger's story is horrific tbh, though I'm sure he was on huge doses compared to any therapeutic regime now.

If we are all about inclusivity then transmen should be able to compete against men.

If they cannot get there by their own merits, then we need to remember that inclusivity is key here.

We need to fight to get transmen included in male sports at the highest level- and they need to get paid the same amount too! If positive discrimination is required, then so be it.

Or we can just get rid of all this silliness & accept that allowing a transwoman to compete against women in women only competition is unfair and discriminatory and is not inclusive to females.

@Truthlikeness

A particularly ludicrous tweet recently claimed that once there were sufficient testosterone-taking transmen in male sport they would start winning, but it was pointed out that we already tried that experiment by doping eastern European women in the 1980s and their records were nowhere near men's. Not to mention the serious and often deadly effects of that level of testosterone on the female body. We're more likely to see transmen leave careers early due to health issues, than have any kind of impact on male sport.

yep crumbling bones and bodies like OAPs when they are in their 20s yet here we are in 2022 pushing the same things on kids.

my brother is a conspiracy nut who believes in the great reset, I am wondering if he is on to something, we have a mass movement here/social contagion encouraging kids to make themselves sterile and drastically shorten their lives.

Read interesting article about Loui Sand , who as Louise Sand was a member of the Swedish Women's HandbLl team and played professionally in a top fight French side. Transitioned in 2019 and became the first transman to play for a Division2 Swedish men's club. However, has now left the club as they didn't make the team.

flight not fight.

In community rugby we're seeing transmen playing on women's teams quite frequently.
I've seen one transman play on a mens team.

There have been several trans men who have participated in men's sports. I am sorry for not having saved the lists I have seen. The reason they are not covered much is probably twofold:

First, trans men are seldom covered, anyway, except when they give birth. Trans women are covered much more frequently.

Now why that is the case is interesting to think about. I think a lot of it is sexism, actually, or at least sex differences. Trans men tend not to demand that men's health articles are re-written to apply to, say, ejaculators, or to prostate-havers, whereas trans women make similar demands about women's health articles. Indeed, even many feminist women make those demands about women's health articles, but not about men's health articles. So the majority addresses the perceived needs of one group of transitioners and not of the other group.

Second, there's the fact that men, as a sex, have essentially nothing to lose here. Trans men are not going to take their places on the podium or their leadership roles or their sports stipends. And men, as a sex, can still be called 'men' while women, as a sex, must be referred to by using one body part or one biological function. So the cost of 'including' trans men in the group 'men' in sports is almost nonexistent. Being 'on the right side of history' is easy under those conditions for most male commentators.

Especially if the transmen have no real chance of competing against the men. Keeping a seat warm on the bench while the men play , may boost the club's inclusivity profile, but doesn't cost the men anything , unlike the female players bounced off the winner podium or deprived of the chance to earn a living doing their own sport.

Typically a Trans man (FTM) should be in men's sports. Folks are so focused on keeping Trans women (MTF) out of women's sports that they are forgotten.

Are there any sports in which women have a natural advantage - anything where being smaller/lighter is more important than being strong? If not, then the answer is going to be 'no'.

Article on it here. This caught my attention:

“However, the chances of the opposite happening – a female competing as a trans man in the men’s category – are negligible, possibly zero. For example, the Tokyo men’s marathon qualifying time was 2:11:30, but the women’s world record is 2:14:04 – no female would ever come close to qualifying”

athleticsweekly.com/blog/asking-for-fairness-1039954658/

Typically a Trans man (FTM) should be in men's sports. Folks are so focused on keeping Trans women (MTF) out of women's sports that they are forgotten.

No they are not forgotten but as they compete for the most part with women, they present no problem for men's sport and as they have female bodies, they also present no problem in female sport. Moreover, of the tiny number who compete with men, after an initial" look how inclusive", they tend to disappear because they can't compete with men.

Transmen who have not taken performance enhancing drugs (i.e. testosterone) are generally welcome to compete in women's sports as that is their correct sex category.