Women's safety in hospitals and Self-ID

gcnurse · 2022-03-30T18:17:08+00:00

Hi all, writing on behalf of Sex Not Gender Nurses and Midwives, we're on twitter mainly. Would any women be willing to speak to an investigative journalist, investigating the issue of women's safety on NHS wards and how its being impacted by Self-ID/ trans policies? She is looking for personal stories of impact. Can be anonymous. Please get in touch if so.

NoToLandfill · 30/03/2022 19:26

Thankfully not had personal experience of this. But it is a real worry now if I have to go into hospital. Or any medical setting really. I want to be able to know if I request a female medic then I will get a female medic.

This is a BIG issue

StopStartStop · 30/03/2022 19:27

No experience to share but glad it is being looked into.

Helleofabore · 30/03/2022 20:41

Don't worry. You might not get many posts on this thread, but it is being read and shared.

DaughterofDawn · 30/03/2022 22:15

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NoToLandfill · 31/03/2022 04:21

Cis is not a term. You are either male or female. You cannot change your chromosomes. That is an offensive word.

DaughterofDawn · 31/03/2022 05:16

@NoToLandfill

Cis is not a term. You are either male or female. You cannot change your chromosomes. That is an offensive word.

Okay. If you feel that way you do you. I was simply clarifying so that others would know. I’m still using the word though. I will not police how you talk. Perhaps you can return that courtesy. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Lovelyricepudding · 31/03/2022 07:33

'Cis' is offensive - it is used to make us a subset of our own sex to justify putting men in women's spaces. It also states that women identify with the things that oppress us - that we are discriminated against because we choose to be.

And while your husband may believe in gender ideology, I very much doubt the 92 year old with dementia in his room does so what gives you the right to impose that on her? Do you also call her a heathen and an infidel?

WifeOfTiresias · 31/03/2022 08:14

@DaughterofDawn on this site there are words that it has been agreed are offensive on either side of the debate. Using one of these terms in a post should get your post deleted. The term you used is one of these. This is because it is felt by many that the use of a qualifying term to woman to describe an adult human female reduces us to a subset of our own sex. Other terms used to describe transwomen, though biologically correct, are felt to be offensive to them and so are similarly banned by MN. Mosr people here carefully avoid using these terms and where they are rarely used a deletion almost invariably swiftly follows.

Now you know the forum rules on this I trust you will show some respect and follow them? Your posts should according to these rules be swiftly deleted but I am not holding my breath. With this issue it would seem that MN sees some as more equal than others.

Apollo441 · 31/03/2022 08:26

To be fair I think the moderation of cis has changed or they allow a certain leeway. If a poster continually uses cis after having it explained why it's offensive then they might be viewed as goady and are at risk of having posts deleted.

WifeOfTiresias · 31/03/2022 08:44

OK fair enough so now it has been explained hopefully this poster will desist. I appreciate that as they live in Canada they are immersed in a lot of nonsense and may not know how things are done on this site.

WifeOfTiresias · 31/03/2022 08:45

Though interesting that no leeway is given the other way

DaughterofDawn · 31/03/2022 08:49

[quote WifeOfTiresias]@DaughterofDawn on this site there are words that it has been agreed are offensive on either side of the debate. Using one of these terms in a post should get your post deleted. The term you used is one of these. This is because it is felt by many that the use of a qualifying term to woman to describe an adult human female reduces us to a subset of our own sex. Other terms used to describe transwomen, though biologically correct, are felt to be offensive to them and so are similarly banned by MN. Mosr people here carefully avoid using these terms and where they are rarely used a deletion almost invariably swiftly follows.

Now you know the forum rules on this I trust you will show some respect and follow them? Your posts should according to these rules be swiftly deleted but I am not holding my breath. With this issue it would seem that MN sees some as more equal than others.[/quote]
I find this really confusing. There are multiple people on this forum that have different ideology. It would be confusing to flip back and forth between them. 🤔 Also if OP is moderate but not stated what if they share views from both left and right but appear left but still think cis is offensive? Should there not be a rule that states this should be explicitly stated in the post of there are such feelings? Also not trying to argue I will respect the rules but it just seems a tad funny to me because those opposing gender ideology always complain that it is based on feelings yet there are rules based on feelings which determine what is offensive and what is not. 😂😂😂😂🤷🏻‍♀️ Nothing really changed does it?

Rightsraptor · 31/03/2022 08:49

I agree that 'cis' is offensive but can we not get sidetracked by it?

OP are you in contact with Baroness Nicholson who is involved in this? I'm a former midwife with no story to tell on this. And thank goodness I left before they allowed men to sleep on post natal wards. Appalling idea.

Pinklimey · 31/03/2022 08:49

Always one sided. plus ca change and all that

OldCrone · 31/03/2022 08:54

@DaughterofDawn

Read this (pinned post on the Sex and Gender board).

www.mumsnet.com/i/trans-rights-moderation-policy

DaughterofDawn · 31/03/2022 08:58

[quote OldCrone]@DaughterofDawn

Read this (pinned post on the Sex and Gender board).

www.mumsnet.com/i/trans-rights-moderation-policy[/quote]
Thank you for sharing. As I said it won't happen again. For the record I didn't know it was offensive to some folks. I'll simply avoid the word or ask from now on.

DaughterofDawn · 31/03/2022 09:12

[quote WifeOfTiresias]@DaughterofDawn on this site there are words that it has been agreed are offensive on either side of the debate. Using one of these terms in a post should get your post deleted. The term you used is one of these. This is because it is felt by many that the use of a qualifying term to woman to describe an adult human female reduces us to a subset of our own sex. Other terms used to describe transwomen, though biologically correct, are felt to be offensive to them and so are similarly banned by MN. Mosr people here carefully avoid using these terms and where they are rarely used a deletion almost invariably swiftly follows.

Now you know the forum rules on this I trust you will show some respect and follow them? Your posts should according to these rules be swiftly deleted but I am not holding my breath. With this issue it would seem that MN sees some as more equal than others.[/quote]
I tried to delete or at least edit the post but I don't see the option to do either. Do you mean the moderators will delete them? Sorry not trying to drag this conversation out or anything. I'm just new to the forum and trying to follow the rules but can't find the delete button or an edit option.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2022 09:18

I tried to delete or at least edit the post but I don't see the option to do either. Do you mean the moderators will delete them? Sorry not trying to drag this conversation out or anything. I'm just new to the forum and trying to follow the rules but can't find the delete button or an edit option.

You can't delete your own posts. It's fine, you've said you won't use it again. It's a word which only makes sense with an ideological position that most of us on this board think is harmful to women and girls, so we don't like being coopted into it against our will.

WifeOfTiresias · 31/03/2022 09:22

Yes the moderators should delete posts that break the talk guidelines that have now kindly been shared with you. Or not, it would seem, depending on which side of the debate you are likely to offend.

Anyway, I will accept your assurances that you will respect the talk rules now you are aware of them and we can get on with discussing this very important topic.

OldCrone · 31/03/2022 09:23

I tried to delete or at least edit the post but I don't see the option to do either. Do you mean the moderators will delete them? Sorry not trying to drag this conversation out or anything. I'm just new to the forum and trying to follow the rules but can't find the delete button or an edit option.

If other people report one of your posts, MN may decide to delete it. If you want to delete your own post, you can report it yourself and ask MN to delete it.

DaughterofDawn · 31/03/2022 09:28

@OldCrone

I tried to delete or at least edit the post but I don't see the option to do either. Do you mean the moderators will delete them? Sorry not trying to drag this conversation out or anything. I'm just new to the forum and trying to follow the rules but can't find the delete button or an edit option.

If other people report one of your posts, MN may decide to delete it. If you want to delete your own post, you can report it yourself and ask MN to delete it.

Okay done. Thank you!

ThrowawayBerna · 31/03/2022 09:42

Daughterofdawn, I'm sorry your husband had that experience and it does feed into what is being asked. Dignity for both sexes, especially while in a vulnerable setting.

Re: the cis thing. It's like an unnecessary qualifier on this thread. I doubt any patient of whatever 'gender ID' would like those circumstances. Also (using the rhetoric of the TRA side, now), some would say you assumed the elderly patient's gender.

If your post is deleted, please do re-post with the particulars again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2022 11:22

Thank you @DaughterofDawn for the respect you have shown women who find that word offensive.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/03/2022 11:23

Daughterofdawn, I'm sorry your husband had that experience and it does feed into what is being asked. Dignity for both sexes, especially while in a vulnerable setting.

Yes I agree. Your husband has a right to privacy and dignity as much as anyone else, as does the elderly lady with dementia.