What should a politician say re: TWAW

[Walkingtheplank]

Lots of clips of politicians stumbling over the simple question of What is a woman or Is a transwoman a woman. It's like they're not prepared.
What do you think they should say? Even if they think it, they can't just say 'Adult Human Female' or 'No' to those questions because they'd probably get an aggressive follow up question.

How can they say the above without offending the very vocal transactivists? Is it possible? I'm not sure it is.

Alba seems like the only party in Scotland saying reasonable stuff on this. I'd do what I could to at least show the talking point is cutting through.

Won’t be voting for them! Sleazy

@WouldBeGood

I’m in Scotland so there is urgency in voting against this stuff.

As it's local elections where in Scotland you number the candidates in order of preference, I will vote for Conservative and LibDem Candidates...no Labour ones ever get in here anyway and one local LibDem does some good work.

Remember this is not for Holyrood(MSPs) and will not get Sturgeon out, it is just for the Regional Councils.

I had a conservative counsellor on my doorstep recently and I asked him how do you define a woman? He knew! Adult human female. I then asked how Boris could sleep at night knowing there are males in womens prisons? He agreed that situation was awful-he had sisters and he wanted them to have single sex spaces. I told him women voters are refusing to vote Labour purely on this issue...there will be no peace until we stop giving males legal recognition as women. That is the only solution.The word woman would not include males.

Yes, I know what the election is for 😃 I’m using it to ask all candidates about this though

@WouldBeGood , not saying you should vote for them. However, if the issue gets raised because they are talking about it, the others may be forced to talk about it too.

I'm loving Talk Radio at the moment, asking every politician a simple question to which there is a simple answer. Then listening to all the squirming, wriggling, forked tongued responses coming out of their mouths. But should we be surprised? They are politicans after all - evasion goes with the territory.

My partner is involved in Labour Party politics (poor thing) and he knows my thoughts on this issue. I asked him why Labour has adopted this strange strategy. The perception from within his local Labour group is that most members of the public are ignorant about or don’t care about this issue, whereas a large continent of young people and trans activists care about this issue very much. Labour don’t want to alienate the young people / trans activists, so have to be very careful in what they say. But Labour also realise the law is in place to protect women’s rights so have to accommodate that too. I asked him if the perception among Labour members was that women were angry about this, and he said “no”. The perception is that most women support trans rights or don’t care, and Labour isn’t seriously worried about losing female voters on this issue.

If that’s the case I wonder why Labour politicians appear to be treading so delicately round this topic. Why not say “yes trans women are women and of course women can have penises?” But I also think if this report is true (and it only pertains to his local branch and Labour Facebook group) then Labour have seriously underestimated how pissed off women have become.

There's the other issue too - There will be a lot of internal lobbying from twaw party members.
In political parties, you have to watch your back - offend too many party members and you'll be out on your ear.
So part of this fudging from many will be about their own survival.

@WeeBisom

My partner is involved in Labour Party politics (poor thing) and he knows my thoughts on this issue. I asked him why Labour has adopted this strange strategy. The perception from within his local Labour group is that most members of the public are ignorant about or don’t care about this issue, whereas a large continent of young people and trans activists care about this issue very much. Labour don’t want to alienate the young people / trans activists, so have to be very careful in what they say. But Labour also realise the law is in place to protect women’s rights so have to accommodate that too. I asked him if the perception among Labour members was that women were angry about this, and he said “no”. The perception is that most women support trans rights or don’t care, and Labour isn’t seriously worried about losing female voters on this issue.

If that’s the case I wonder why Labour politicians appear to be treading so delicately round this topic. Why not say “yes trans women are women and of course women can have penises?” But I also think if this report is true (and it only pertains to his local branch and Labour Facebook group) then Labour have seriously underestimated how pissed off women have become.

Why do you think they are courting this minority vote though? Young people I know within my friends and family circle dabble with gender identity for a couple of years then seem to grow out of it - so this seems like such a weird hill for the LP to die on.

‘But Labour also realise the law is in place to protect women’s rights so have to accommodate that too.’

How do they propose to do that?

TabithaHazel: keep in mind this is may not be representative of Labour as a whole, but the perception is this is seen as an incredibly popular issue with young people, akin to the next big civil rights movement, so the concern is the youth vote would entirely collapse if Labour didn't believe that TWAW. It was just interesting to me that it's seen as so universally popular among young people, whereas women are entirely uncaring or ignorant about the issue.

They should say that they are men - TWAW. But that does not mean that they don't deserve legal protections just that collapsing the categories of TW and women does no favours to anyone.

I asked him if the perception among Labour members was that women were angry about this, and he said “no”.

I would imagine this is something to do with Twitter blocklists and only reading The Guardian where all dissenting comments are removed at the speed of light and anyone making them banned.

Do they seriously think the Tory gloves won't come off. It's all they've got left. Feckin idiots

My partner is involved in our constituency Labour Party. They have a couple of very aggressive men from Young Labour who throw their weight around and threaten our MP if she says anything that could be construed as GC. They're really thuggish, entitled men. A number of women who left the party in protest are now returning and bringing friends and mobilising, so that these young bullies are outnumbered by older women at meetings. They are having some success. You need to get a CLP women's section up and running and then take the woke-bros on.

I'm just so furious that so many women are having to spend so much precious time and money to just have their voices heard.

@WouldBeGood

I things would be much better if they were worried about offending women, and therefore gave factually correct answers, such as adult human female.

Apparently, it's the zeitgeist to question whether we want responses grounded in reality rather than our preferences or immersive fictions.

BBC chair suggests public may overstate appetite for impartial news
…
Richard Sharp said his organisation is facing the joint challenges of stopping audiences drifting away to more partisan news outlets, while at the same time warning that the BBC’s ability to provide accurate information is under threat because of funding cuts.

“Impartial news may be too unprofitable to do properly,” Sharp said at a panel event organised by the Social Market Foundation thinktank, suggesting this will lead commercial news organisations to increasingly seek more partisan stances.

He said the reality of what people actually click on or watch increasingly leans towards provocative and sensational content, making it harder for the BBC to judge whether its output is connecting with audiences.

www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/29/99-say-they-wash-their-hands-bbc-chair-questions-appetite-for-impartial-news

@WeeBisom

My partner is involved in Labour Party politics (poor thing) and he knows my thoughts on this issue. I asked him why Labour has adopted this strange strategy. The perception from within his local Labour group is that most members of the public are ignorant about or don’t care about this issue, whereas a large continent of young people and trans activists care about this issue very much. Labour don’t want to alienate the young people / trans activists, so have to be very careful in what they say. But Labour also realise the law is in place to protect women’s rights so have to accommodate that too. I asked him if the perception among Labour members was that women were angry about this, and he said “no”. The perception is that most women support trans rights or don’t care, and Labour isn’t seriously worried about losing female voters on this issue.

If that’s the case I wonder why Labour politicians appear to be treading so delicately round this topic. Why not say “yes trans women are women and of course women can have penises?” But I also think if this report is true (and it only pertains to his local branch and Labour Facebook group) then Labour have seriously underestimated how pissed off women have become.

Wee it will be great if you can keep us informed as to any changes here.

The huge issue they are overlooking is the more they screw around on mainstream media, on tv and radio, the more this is getting known.

I have had friends tell me this month that they finally understood what I was referring to over the past year or so. I have told my elderly neighbour just what M&S have done with changing rooms and she is absolutely furious.

If labour honestly believe that fucking about on the media with this is not having an impact, they are delusional idiots who are believing the very advisors who are telling them this is the vote winner.

There is quite a bit of time left until the next election, they obviously are counting on people remaining ignorant. So they should STFU in the media because they are causing conversations to be had that never were before.

More fool them. Fuckwits.

[quote PacificState]Thanks tabby. I missed my calling as a SPAD 😂

Interesting piece by Isabel Hardman on this www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-is-falling-into-the-tim-farron-trap-on-sex-and-gender[/quote]

Thanks for the link. She makes a good point.

I fail to understand what's wrong with TWATW. What's wrong with being a transwoman that you need to pretend you're not one?

Trans people want validation. Code for: join in my delusion or you are a bigot. TWATW TMATM doesn't give that.

@RestingPandaFace

They should say that TWATW who have very specific social and health needs which are different (note different not less than) to those of women, there should be a range of policy interventions designed to safeguard and protect TW that do not come at the expense of women and girls access to single sex spaces and services.

This would absolutely have my vote.

They should say TWAMRA as in "transwomen are Men's Rights Activists"

@DontLikeCrumpets they are certainly being hijacked by them to the point where you don't hear the one in several thousand people who "just wants to live their life", you hear the MRA who wants you to suck their "girl dick". How can Starmer etc pretend those voices aren't shouting the loudest.