Green Party - can it be led to see sense on its policies towards women

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Emma Bateman is the co chair of Green Party Women, and she is challenging the Green Party to stand up for sense, science and women's sex based rights.
Emma is digging in for her legal case.

A short video of Emma (2 mins) :

youtu.be/5aMsEmDXK0c .

Emma Bateman :

"Some people may wonder why I am taking this action against the Green Party at a time when climate change should be at the centre of everything we do, and I understand that. But if our policies are not founded on objective reality, we will have no credibility with the wider public. This renunciation of science-based policies, at the very moment that evidence-based solutions are crucial to address climate change, is reckless."

Yes, I think so. There's a strong GC presence in the Greens but they're facing a number of hardliner TRAs in key positions.
The balance is definitely shifting though. Change isn't going to happen overnight but it's very clear that if the momentum that the GC side has continues, TRAs are going to find it very difficult to hang on to their positions.
The last conference made it very clear that most Greens are fed up with the hyperbole and are seeing through it now.

Maybe if we just redefine the temperature scale, global warming would suddenly cease to exist. After all, words are more powerful than physical reality is. Surprised the Greens haven't thought of that one.

Yes, they can. I think more and more 'ordinary' members of the party are seeing exactly what's going on and starting to say 'no, thank you'.

It would be good to start addressing environmental issues again ...

From Emma Bateman :

"Some people may wonder why I am taking this action against the Green Party at a time when climate change should be at the centre of everything we do, and I understand that. But if our policies are not founded on objective reality, we will have no credibility with the wider public. This renunciation of science-based policies, at the very moment that evidence-based solutions are crucial to address climate change, is reckless."

And a video of her whole talk, from which the extract in the OP is taken :

Well I do hope so. I need to vote for someone.i will never vote tory and I will never vote for a party led by starmer.

At the recent Spring conference almost all of the votes went in favour of women/feminists. (If only by a narrow margin in some cases). I am hopeful that some of the many women who left will feel able to return in future.

Environmental issues are going to be an increasing problem from now on and they stand a chance of gaining more mainstream support, I hope they can get their act together.

I would vote Green if it weren't for all the trans nonsense.

I can't vote Labour - their stance is harmful and insulting to women.

I can't vote Tory.

I can't vote LibDem, or ToryLite.

I am very concerned about environmental issues, and I already do a lot in this regard. I should be a natural Green voter. But I can't vote for them until they focus on reality and the environment.

Another one hoping that they can sort it out. I have utterly given up on Labour thanks to this issue, and I would fall on the Greems like a starving person falls on food if they were to adopt a sensible, realistic position re women's sex-based rights.

Well, watch this space, Random. TBH if another swathe of feminists joined, the party could easily become one that championed women's rights as well as robust, evidence-based environmental policy. And given the history (I'm thinking back to the whole Challenor debacle, which does not, imo, seem to have been comprehensively face up to and dealt with) it may even be possible for the party to come out stronger, with far more rigorous safeguarding measures.

I'm watching this space too then
I would love to be able to support the greens

But to be successful at counteracting climate change they need to be driven by common sense , science and pragmatism- nothing like being driven by identity

Didn't they first come up with the brilliant 'non-men' identity? I think that was what converted me into someone digging up more and more information on these questions as being called a non-man made me physically sick.

I very very much doubt that the Greens will change any time soon. They live in echo chambers.

I’d vote for them if they even went so far as to say, ‘Two different views exist here on whether we should define men and women by gender or by sex. As a party, we tolerate either view and will ensure that safe, appropriate facilities are provided that meet the needs of all, without shouting at worried people. Now let’s get back to defeating environmental degradation and climate change.’

Yes, I agree, mudge. I think a keen desire to be 'fair' to everybody has perhaps left the party open to manipulation by people who do not have good intentions.

@Aretina

I would vote Green if it weren't for all the trans nonsense.

I can't vote Labour - their stance is harmful and insulting to women.

I can't vote Tory.

I can't vote LibDem, or ToryLite.

I am very concerned about environmental issues, and I already do a lot in this regard. I should be a natural Green voter. But I can't vote for them until they focus on reality and the environment.

Exactly where I find myself

Good to see feminist voices coming through in the Green Party. I hope the Scottish Greens take note, as unlikely as that seems.

I used to be a member of the Greens in Canada. They have lots the plot on women's issues as well. But I would say, and I see this in the US Greens too, not sure about the UK - they can be dodgy on evidence based science in quite a few areas. GMOs are an example. Now, I don't support GMOs overall, mainly for reasons around economics and ecosystem protection, but the amount of junk science about GMOs in party discussions was trough the roof. Also often very unrealistic expectations about technology saving us from changing our standard of living, around renewable energy. and so on.

Green parties have changed a lot since they started to develop in the 70s, including in terms of political emphasis.

I really hope the Greens can return to reality based politics, so many of use would love them to go back to caring about climate change. Then I might vote for them.

Mangy I do agree - I think there need to be far more robust conversations about things like nuclear power, for example.

I would really appreciate it if someone could explain to me in a 'from the beginning' kind of way, what this issue about sex / gender is. I always feel like I missed the beginning of the conversation with it, and now I don't know what's going on! Is there something I can read? What's the greens view?

I'm by no means an evangelist on political issues, but I just would like to say, though, that if all the people who posted that they are waiting for the Greens to return to sense joined the party, and took part in conference, and voted in the policies that are supported/proposed by feminists and based on evidence-supported scientific views etc, we'd be sorted. I think it's at a tipping point and I am looking forward to the next conference.

Ask not what the party can do for you, etc.

Reluctant - this may be of use.

janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

The Greens don't have any one view. There is a small cohort of very committed people dedicated to trans rights. There is a small cohort of feminists. There is a larger cohort of people who are confused. There is an even larger cohort of people who have no idea what is going on, and are in the party to support environmental policies.

@Reluctantadult

I would really appreciate it if someone could explain to me in a 'from the beginning' kind of way, what this issue about sex / gender is. I always feel like I missed the beginning of the conversation with it, and now I don't know what's going on! Is there something I can read? What's the greens view?

This thread may be useful for general stuff, not specific to Green Party. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?watched=1&msgid=116205152#116205152