Posie Parker on GB News

[DomesticatedZombie]

• just now

talking about Lia Thomas.

Is this the livestream?

I couldn’t find KJK but I did catch a (I think?) Labour representative who couldn’t say the word Testosterone or pronounce Caster Semenya’s name properly, and was wittering on about how you can’t really say that everyone is either male or female amd Caster Semenya was a case in point .

It was pretty brief! And yes, that was Scarlett McCgwire, I think, a previous Labour adviser. Amazing. I'm going to transcribe and post here because it was ... astonishing.

www.rightsandsecurity.org/about/our-people/entry/scarlett-mccgwire

‘I think sport is really difficult. Because obviously the reason there are women and men’s sports is absolutely physical, that men’s bodies are different, they’re stronger, the [testosterone] is more … and in a way the more interesting case is the one of Caster [Semenya] who is intergender I mean there’s no point in saying that everybody is either male or female. I mean she was a case in point where actually it was on the margins – and it was [discussed?] … I mean I think there should be a serious debate.

But to call Lia a man I just think is just deeply offensive and to say there are women and men and that’s it … is that I mean actually there are a lot of people – I mean a tiny minority, but you know, thousands, hundreds of thousands, who feel unhappy in their body, and they change and these are vulnerable people who have a terrible time. And actually to then start saying oh you’re not really a woman.

I mean what’s interesting of course is that it doesn’t happen the other way round. I mean, the women who become men just go quiet - and I mean I think this might say things about men and women. You have the vociferous people, men who’ve transitioned into women, but also you have – women - I’m a feminist - absolutely straight down the line - I do not feel offended by them.

What I think is we need to have a proper debate, rather than throw things around. That’s what I think.'

Thank you, Scarlett.

She's no Alex Sharpe.

She advised Labour. Which may explain a few things.

They keep calling for a proper debate and when you absolutely overwhelm them with facts they throw their hands up and call for a proper debate whilst avoiding responding to any points. The last thing they want is a debate as they continually demonstrate.

Totally.

'we need a debate'
'not like that'

@DomesticatedZombie

Totally.

'we need a debate'
'not like that'

It wouldn't matter if they were toddlers - or even teenagers. We're all used to managing them But these are meant to be political activists.

They want a debate without words.

Maybe we should have a crack at it through the medium of interpretive dance?

DSD is complex, but a lot of peer reviewed scientific analysis has been done that predates the current debate. I believe, happy to be corrected, there is a matrix that determines which DSD chromosome combinations are genetically male and genetically female and that is the sex recorded on birth certificates in the UK (potentially retrospectively). I would expect anyone with DSD should compete in the category that matches their true sex.

Everyone has a right to privacy and I feel for Caster and the other athletes who won 800 metres Medals in Rio, who allegedly also have DSD. But it is unfair for them to compete as women if genetically they are male. A blood test should enable all sports people to compete in the correct category for their sex.

WRT Trans women, genetically they are male and should not be competing in woman's categories. That doesn’t mean it is right to not respect their chosen pro nouns. However, if TW are disrespectful to women, by insisting they compete in woman's categories, use woman’s communal changing rooms and allegedly are exhibitionists exposing their male genitals to girls and women this should be called out.
This link boysvswomen.com/#/ is a factual comparison of the 8 female finalists at 2016 Rio olympics with USA high school boys.

What Posy is doing in calling Lia a man is the equivalent of the little boy pointing out the Emperor is as naked as the day that he was born.

Whilst not sports related between 2012 and 2018 over 400 transwomen used their penis to rape women. Their rapes were recorded as committed by a woman. This is not right or fair.

The law needs to protect single sex spaces, single sex sports etc. whilst also treating trans people with dignity and respect.

That doesn’t mean it is right to not respect their chosen pro nouns. However, if TW are disrespectful to women, by insisting they compete in woman's categories, use woman’s communal changing rooms and allegedly are exhibitionists exposing their male genitals to girls and women this should be called out.

What is the difference between appropriating women's spaces and appropriating the language women use to describe ourselves?

How can you define what is a woman's space if you cannot define what a woman is? If you cannot refer accurately and unambiguously to females and males?

Pronouns are Rohypnoll*

@DomesticatedZombie

‘I think sport is really difficult. Because obviously the reason there are women and men’s sports is absolutely physical, that men’s bodies are different, they’re stronger, the [testosterone] is more … and in a way the more interesting case is the one of Caster [Semenya] who is intergender I mean there’s no point in saying that everybody is either male or female. I mean she was a case in point where actually it was on the margins – and it was [discussed?] … I mean I think there should be a serious debate.

But to call Lia a man I just think is just deeply offensive and to say there are women and men and that’s it … is that I mean actually there are a lot of people – I mean a tiny minority, but you know, thousands, hundreds of thousands, who feel unhappy in their body, and they change and these are vulnerable people who have a terrible time. And actually to then start saying oh you’re not really a woman.

I mean what’s interesting of course is that it doesn’t happen the other way round. I mean, the women who become men just go quiet - and I mean I think this might say things about men and women. You have the vociferous people, men who’ve transitioned into women, but also you have – women - I’m a feminist - absolutely straight down the line - I do not feel offended by them.

What I think is we need to have a proper debate, rather than throw things around. That’s what I think.'

Thank you, Scarlett.

Right, so that's word salad then

Thanks for the transcription @DomesticatedZombie - what complete and utter senseless drivel that was. Good to have it recorded - the level of discourse put out by some "social and political commentators" is astonishingly banal.

It was particularly interesting to listen to Scarlett just after Posie, who was succint, and clear as a bell.

And watching Scarlett was also interesting because it seemed to me she kept trying to chase a thought down a logical route and then pulling up short when she realised she's not allowed to say that - hence the frequent abrupt changes of tack, non sequiturs and frankly garbled half-sentences. Her thinking process seemed to be entirely populated by 'what she's supposed to think', rather than any kind of logic.

That's why I tried to transcribe it verbatim - I hope I've been as accurate as possible. I think that mangled grammar and syntax can be a sign of someone's cognitive dissonance thrashing around inside their head.

It's interesting to see the extent to which, among people who take the Labour Party type position on this, they are clearly way behind on the science, even at a basic level. That tells us a lot, I think, about the kind of engagement they have. Is that because they aren't seeing more serious discussions, or because they are a little dim? That I don't know.

I need to get this out of my system and this seems like as good a thread as any. There was a review in the guardian (22nd) for a "feminist" podcast. It being the guardian my twaw sense went off. I found a twitter thread from one of the presenters, Deborah Bachman Turner Overdrive, or something, gushing about a certain person from Edinburgh RC. In this thread, I'll paraphrase, biology doesn't matter because she's adopted and her mum is her mum, except kidney, and twaw.

Right, got that off my chest, bed now.