Do you think Rihanna will reverse the celebrity surrogacy trend?

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I have never seen a celebrity so happy to display her bump!

She looks like she is really embracing being pregnant and not hiding her stomach or dressing over the bump.

She is also a fashion trend setter and I have seen pregnant women copying her style on social media and saying that Rihanna inspired them.

www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/gallery/rihanna-pregnancy-fashion

www.google.com/amp/s/www.vogue.com/article/rihanna-pregnancy-style-effect/amp

Why is this celebrity article on sex & gender board?

I don't think anything will reverse the surrogacy trend, if anything the celebrity culture (and generally women focusing on their careers until their late 30s/ early 40s) means the surrogacy and donor gametes industry is booming and will continue to grow.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine will barely make a dent in it and as the idea of same-sex male couples 'needing' surrogacy is being perpetuated by the media it's only going to gain popularity as a way of 'family building'.

@Iwishihadariver

Why is this celebrity article on sex & gender board?

Because surrogacy is a feminist issue.

But this is not focussing on surrogacy, but fashion & celebrity singer exposing her pregnancy bump? If we want to discuss surrogacy as a feminist issue there are plenty of OPs to be found that mention the words feminist and surrogacy. Just my take on it eurochick.

The surrogacy trend is more to do with age and fertility than aesthetics so I don't think so. But she does look great!

My point was that people follow celebrities and there has been a trend of celebrities using surrogates or being secretive about their pregnancies.

If being pregnant is highlighted as beautiful and fashionable it could make celebrities more likely to carry their own child, who knows? This is for celebrities who use surrogates for the convenience and to keep their own body shapes.

I remember reading about a Victorian or Edwardian aristocrate breastfeeding her own child after she kept finding the wet nurse drunk and stinking of alcohol because of her it caused a resurgence in elite women breastfeeding their own children.

Interesting question actually.

There are plenty of examples that show that celebrity culture supports and even grows surrogacy as a 'trend'.

Lucy Lui had a woman have a baby for her due to the demand of her schedule and not wanting to put on weight. Priya and Nick Jonas said their schedules prevented them from conceiving (if you're that busy lord knows what happens now the baby has arrived - 24/7 nannies I assume.)

It's not unrelated, not long ago I saw I think it was an Instagramer and model day she has chosen surrogacy, she was clearly influenced by celebrity, maintaining her figure and chemically and surgically conducted 'beauty'.

(I've also seen on Reddit a man saying he wants surrogacy so as not to 'blow out' his girlfriends Vagina.)

Social surrogacy is on the rise and this is tired to beauty standards and expectations, a distaste of putting on weight or being changed by pregnancy and having money to outsource it.

Recent celebrity surrogacy examples include Naomi Campbell, Amber Heard, Cameron Diaz and husband. Not long ago you would only have Sarah Jessica Parker and husband to pull from.

It is seen as aspirational, basically 'I'm so wealthy I don't even need to have my own babies' (but it is my own baby once it's born, because I paid for it.)

On the flip side there are plenty of pregnancy bumps on Instagram being celebrated and shown off so I suppose there is some kind of 'balance'.

No I don't think she will reverse the trend but it's still good to see. It would be even better to see her still proudly sporting a 'mum tum' after birth, and wandering round the shops in her pyjamas because she'd forgotten to get dressed.

I hope that's acceptable for the feminist police.

Taking the 'too posh to push' trend to the ultimate end perhaps?

Too posh to push was one thing, too posh to be pregnant is another

Hardly unique or game-changing for a celebrity to show off their bump.

Are you old enough to remember Demi Moore's naked pregnancy shoot?

uk.movies.yahoo.com/demi-moore-pregnant-vanity-fair-cover-223924088.html

Feminist police Floisme ? It's getting a bit dangerous to have a mild opinion on thread etiquette now. Makes cross-examining on women's rights seem tame in comparison. #bemoreBen

I think other posters have said why this possibly won't reverse the trend. Unfortunately we seem to be in the middle of a new phase of misogyny as a society where pregnancy, birth and new motherhood are seen as quite unpalatable.

I do love Rhianna and her attitude, and I think it's wonderful that she has embraced her pregnancy so fully.

@Iwishihadariver

Feminist police Floisme ? It's getting a bit dangerous to have a mild opinion on thread etiquette now. Makes cross-examining on women's rights seem tame in comparison. #bemoreBen

I admit I was snarking and I am very sorry if that made you feel unsafe.

@Iwishihadariver

But this is not focussing on surrogacy, but fashion & celebrity singer exposing her pregnancy bump? If we want to discuss surrogacy as a feminist issue there are plenty of OPs to be found that mention the words feminist and surrogacy. Just my take on it eurochick.

You wouldn't say pregnancy was a feminist issue at all? Your objection mystifies me.

Yeah. Well you could just scroll on by. Many posters discuss surrogacy here. There's no reason they shouldn't.

It's bad enough that 'here' exists and has different rules around posting without someone deciding what can and cannot be worthy enough if being posted here.

If enough people agree with you the thread will die it's own death.

Do you mean she's going to sell the kid to a woman in Bulgaria?

Unlikely. It’s much deeper than that. Most pregnant celebrities love showing off their bumps. That’s not the reason they do it.

I like Rhianna - for want of a better way to put it, she seems 'real' and solidly grounded for all the rest of the celebrity stuff going on.

I wish her a healthy and happy pregnancy and baby.

I don't think it will matter a jot to other people who use other women's bodies though.

"Lucy Lui had a woman have a baby for her due to the demand of her schedule and not wanting to put on weight. Priya and Nick Jonas said their schedules prevented them from conceiving (if you're that busy lord knows what happens now the baby has arrived - 24/7 nannies I assume.)"
WTF? I did not know that! Totally shocked at their priorities! :(

I've also seen on Reddit a man saying he wants surrogacy so as not to 'blow out' his girlfriends Vagina.

Bloody hell!

On the question, which I think is very valid, I actually think it might - but only for a first baby. Many celebrities have one child but then due to the 'toll' on their celebrity figures choose surrogacy for the next/more children. I can see many emulating Rihanna but only for a first.

Yes, Rihanna has taken pregnancy fashion to a whole new place and has maximised her pregnancy look. The pics are everywhere. I can definitely see some celebs following suit, but I don't think it will be a big enough influence to stymie the trend altogether.

Someone mentioned Demi Moore. Many celebs went on to follow that pose. So when a celebrity does something new it can set trends. It's not directly comparable though, because she did the one shot, as opposed to Rihanna who is walking around everywhere wearing very high trendy fashion.

It will be interesting to see what she does post-pregnancy though.

I don't think, photos and fashions like this have been around in the past, even among celebs, but they don't change the realities.

You don't see so many who wear stuff like that for a second or third child, showing off their stretch marks.

Tjough I have to say, choosing a surrogate due to not having enough time to get pregnant seems like a big fat lie. Getting pregnant is the work of under 15 minutes, unlike the considerable faff of reproductive tech.

@SunniDelite

"Lucy Lui had a woman have a baby for her due to the demand of her schedule and not wanting to put on weight. Priya and Nick Jonas said their schedules prevented them from conceiving (if you're that busy lord knows what happens now the baby has arrived - 24/7 nannies I assume.)" WTF? I did not know that! Totally shocked at their priorities! :(

Actress Luci Lui:

"It just seemed like the right option for me because I was working and I didn't know when I was going to be able to stop," Liu told PEOPLE at the time. "I decided that was probably the best solution for me, and it turned out to be great."

"I didn't realize how quickly babies progress," she added of Rockwell, who was 8 months old at the time. "Very basic things that you just take for granted. They're just this little lump of flesh, and then all the sudden they're turning around, they're observing you and they're smiling and they're interacting. It's a magical experience."

Lump of flesh?

people.com/parents/lucy-liu-raising-son-rockwell-body-positivity/?fbclid=IwAR3JvNKXUuu0Dl-FEqEKopdv3O7Vz7KM4hmv6_T5nM7-CcykXv1CPbQd2EA

@georgarina

The surrogacy trend is more to do with age and fertility than aesthetics so I don't think so. But she does look great!

I agree, it’s also about the options wealth provides

If you can pay a surrogate, nannies, no worries about paying for university while trying to retire etc : why WOULD you put your body through that, esp if older, & why wouldn’t you have a baby if you want one even a little bit?

The money gives a totally different set of options