Truss calls time on pronouns?

[ResisterRex]

At least, calls for an end to the "ludicrous debate":

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10630725/Liz-Truss-Ludicrous-debates-statutes-pronouns-end.html

Video in the link. Shows that at the point she mentions pronouns, applause breaks out.

Article ends:

"On gender self-ID, following a consultation, the UK Government announced in 2020 it did not support allowing people to officially change gender without a medical diagnosis.
It instead announced plans to remove barriers to gender switches, including making the process available online, reducing the certificate fee from £140 to £5, and opening three new gender clinics that year to cut waiting lists."

Johnson also seemingly weighed in on the debate / issues as reported in a wider respect - with statues and rewriting of history and so on:

"Mr Johnson argued that the battle for democracy in eastern Europe highlighted the freedoms people enjoyed in Britain, adding: 'We don't need to be woke, we just want to be free.'"

Top comments say it all.

Not free to demonstrate against the government, though. Not free to challenge unlawful government action.

Like truss really get this shit show and keeps speaking about it. Another woman that the TRAs can't cancel

They have a tendency to talk out of both sides of their mouth though. Making it easier and virtually no cost for more men to become legally women doesn't make the problem go away for women, it exacerbates it no matter how many speeches they make that play to the crowd.

They're better than Labour, Lib Dem or Green and they're not wrong about the ridiculous amounts of navel gazing that goes on but I get the distinct feeling they'd probably like both TRAs and women to pipe down on the matter.

They're holding the line somewhat but I have questions about how hard they are trying to solve it? Collectively as a party that is, I know some Tory women individually are trying to do a quite a bit.

We live in a democracy where there are more choices of bread in the supermarket than there are political parties to choose from.
To me this is not democracy, it's a farce

This seems like a sign of the direction they are headed in. It's also reported that an election will come next year. Tactically, it might be good for the Tories to box Labour in as the party that panders to gender extremists, especially if - IF - the Tories sort out single sex spaces.

It's happened on their watch. Or it might be fairer to say it's got more intense and parts of the LD/Con pact either played along or genuinely thought it was fine. But then we had a majority Tory government and they didn't stop it. But (!) they are now the party with MPs willing to listen.

Then again, if you go back to the GRA then this begun under Labour. I did go back to the GRA this week, and dug out this thread:

https://twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1049289194370002945

It would be easier for the Tories to have carried on, and ignored women raising concerns. They haven't. It's stranger still that Labour didn't see what an opportunity it would have been to have pointed out the dangers and to have painted the Tories as the party women can't trust.

It's all so upside down and back to front that I can only go on what each politician says, after which we need needs, not words (!)

I find it utterly depressing and conflicted on the fact I side with the Tory’s on this.

Hmm. I think Truss is lining up to be next leader/PM.

This seems like a sign of the direction they are headed in

Do you think that might be in the direction of "OMG will all you loons (inc feminists) just shut up, don't you know there's a war on?"

I'd like to think going into an election they're going to try and skewer Labour on the details, Ben Cooper QC style, but I think it might end up being more broad brush than that and the use of the word 'woke' does indicate that.

We'll see I guess. Depends on what their internal polling tells them about the voting intentions of women who have lost faith in the other parties. Whether they think we're worth the effort to win over as a block? A lot of women won't be voting Labour but don't want to vote Tory.

I think the same @DomesticatedZombie and I think Boris is lining her up for it. He wants to get back to making the proper cash!

Aye, PM is just a necessary stop on the journey to more lucrative after-dinner speaker roles, I suppose.

The Tories will do polling and listen. They always seem so focused in that respect. I do wonder about Labour. They did a report on why they lost and this issue / women were nowhere in it IIRC. It's not got smaller as an issue since then. And would they even ask this question when polling/doing research? Or avoid it?

Also tactically, the Tories are going to need to deal with this as the lawsuits will happen on their watch either now or if they win again. The mixed-sex wards (if that goes that way) for one such possibility, and if the Cass Review's next report indicates such action could be taken, for another.

So are trans people rejecting the £5 certificate as it’s literally a right wing plot?

The Tories will know that the red wall constituencies have absolutely no time for ‘woke’ and they need to hold those seats. To be honest I can’t see it being very difficult as Labour are offering those voters absolutely nothing.

So are trans people rejecting the £5 certificate as it’s literally a right wing plot?
They'll reject it because the process remains the same and all they want is self-ID - well the activists want that at least.

However the reduced fee is a canny move: "Look, we've made it nearly free, we've reduced the burden of it, we're being kind to you" and then they'll look ungrateful when they reject it. However, if they accept it, they've agreed to no self-ID.

How many people have taken up the £5 certificate since it was introduced? I bet its still far far short of the 600000 people in the UK who identify as trans.

Because actually, really drilling down into it, it's not necessarily self ID that's the issue. Self ID is still a legally binding process that has consequences (I believe it cannot be reversed?).

The fact is that service providers are using a process of informal self ID that requires no paperwork or certification at all. You just have to say you are the opposite sex. Do people realise this? That actually you don't even NEED self ID to get what you want.

Whilst the Tories are making the right noises, sorry but they are not doing enough and it's not happening fast enough. If they want my vote I want something concrete not just promises/words because I simply don't trust them. Johnson is a proven liar and I don't believe for one moment he cares about women. They are seeing Labour back themselves into a corner on this and the Tories think they can throw women a crumb, say a few words and we'll all be falling over ourselves to tick their box.

Yes yes yes rabbitwoman, exactly - self id is here. The Tories have done nothing to stop informal self id. Whilst we see sunlight being shone on this issue everyday, the train is still hurtling towards the station with nothing concrete to stop it.

Agreed Noisy. Caroline Nokes is a Tory and chair of the WEC.

@rabbitwoman

How many people have taken up the £5 certificate since it was introduced? I bet its still far far short of the 600000 people in the UK who identify as trans.

Because actually, really drilling down into it, it's not necessarily self ID that's the issue. Self ID is still a legally binding process that has consequences (I believe it cannot be reversed?).

The fact is that service providers are using a process of informal self ID that requires no paperwork or certification at all. You just have to say you are the opposite sex. Do people realise this? That actually you don't even NEED self ID to get what you want.

yep do you think the poet at the Herstory now online event has a certificate? I seriously doubt it, they dont need to they just have to engage their male entitlement to get what they want like the head of rape services, or shelters or whatever it is in Scotland who proudly boasts about taking a role that was meant to be females only.