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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Phenomenal article in The Critic. Needs to be shared far and wide.

23 replies

LittleWhingingWoman · 19/03/2022 09:13

thecritic.co.uk/women-wont-wheesht/

"Witch” is a word which once had so much power it made 4000 women disappear. Conversely, the least powerful word at any time, in any language, is a woman’s “no”.

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IcakethereforeIam · 19/03/2022 09:23

Kathleen Stock's book, Material Girls, is 99p today (19th) on Kindle.

Great article btw

Outwiththenorm · 19/03/2022 09:33

Brilliant article.

SorryAuntLydia · 19/03/2022 09:36

This is a fantastic and moving article.

And still we rise.

Skyvemind · 19/03/2022 09:40

“Women’s anger is tactical and slower than the more popular and destructive male version, which is why the spectacle of strength and speed in men’s rage gets all the publicity and sponsorship. Every refuge, women’s charity, or rape crisis centre was built by a woman so exasperated by an unaddressed need that she fundraised, petitioned and collaborated and built a solution. If you make the time to understand it, the fury of females can be a beautiful thing. A smart politician would realise none of us are playing a game.“

scalliondays · 19/03/2022 09:43

That article is great and perfectly sums up the current dire state of women's rights.
I was at the Witches' Well memorial and in the dark and the rain, women were swopping phone numbers with other women in a desperate need to organise to fight against the insanity. The anger was real. They tortured and burned women then and there are plenty who would do it to us again if they could.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/03/2022 09:48

Maggie Osbourne was burned alive in Ayr because “she spake unadvisedly with her lips”, while delirious with an “attack of brain fever”. Her illness did not warrant leniency because the Bible was clear — “thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”. Unhelpfully, the record does not detail which words are best avoided.

That is spot on for Maya Forstater's tribunal. Time and again, nobody could come up with a suitable form of words although they allegedly all agreed that it was a topic that could be discussed (albeit not necessarily in the workplace despite it being an area where it is sometimes necessary to write about women and girls and their especial concerns).

Iwishihadariver · 19/03/2022 09:55

Well done Scottish women for the fight so far, we must continue to support you as England is only a handspan away from your madness. The example of NSs SNP (amongst many!) Shows we must also be so careful who we vote for.

Clymene · 19/03/2022 10:10

That's a great article. Thanks for sharing

scalliondays · 19/03/2022 10:14

We should definitely be careful who we vote for. When I was much younger I honestly thought that women's rights were sorted out and here to stay. Now, in a few short years we have males winning women's sporting events, women raped in hospital wards and told no man was there so it didn't happen and a male who assaulted a women at an International Women's Day march getting off with a caution. Rapists are in women's prisons and the local leisure centre is likely to let any male into the female changing rooms as long as he says the magic words. I find myself wondering what happened and it's obvious that this dire state of affairs has come about because we have allowed men to redefine themselves as women. We have allowed 'feelings' to be more important than biology.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/03/2022 11:29

Mumsnet has 30k ostentatious posts a day about nappies which draw the eye away from the small but seditious “sex and gender” board where mothers go to be radicalised. These places are where resources, templates, petitions and strategies are built by the anonymous to force Government to at least meet and hear concerns. So far, no good.

This bears reflection alongside Sarah Pedersen's article where she refers to MN as a subaltern counter-public.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4478528-theyve-got-an-absolute-army-behind-them-womens-cooperative-constellation-in-Scotland

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 19/03/2022 12:30

@scalliondays

That article is great and perfectly sums up the current dire state of women's rights. I was at the Witches' Well memorial and in the dark and the rain, women were swopping phone numbers with other women in a desperate need to organise to fight against the insanity. The anger was real. They tortured and burned women then and there are plenty who would do it to us again if they could.
I was there too, @scalliondays. I was mask off and hood down because I'm out and proud and looking for a fight.

I was chatting to a couple of women who work for the government, one who's senior manager in the NHS and one who's in the Arts who all needed to keep their faces hidden.

I get it, I honestly do get it, but I cannot get my head round that it's dangerous for capable professionals to be seen with some middle aged women at an Edinburgh tourist spot on a wet Tuesday night.

It's absolutely incredible.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 19/03/2022 12:31

[quote EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]Mumsnet has 30k ostentatious posts a day about nappies which draw the eye away from the small but seditious “sex and gender” board where mothers go to be radicalised. These places are where resources, templates, petitions and strategies are built by the anonymous to force Government to at least meet and hear concerns. So far, no good.

This bears reflection alongside Sarah Pedersen's article where she refers to MN as a subaltern counter-public.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4478528-theyve-got-an-absolute-army-behind-them-womens-cooperative-constellation-in-Scotland[/quote]
Interesting, @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus.

It does.

I see the author has thanked MN on twitter. She's @gussiegrips.

This place is important for women's rights and doesn't get nearly enough credit, IMO.

Artichokeleaves · 19/03/2022 12:52

I confided in someone I admire “I can’t bear the damage that is being done to my society, to women and our trans communities by weak leaders who turn a blind eye to flawed arguments and bad law”.

“You must bear it” she gently replied “and you must speak up”.

Well that made me dissolve into tears and I'm a cold old hag that doesn't cry easily.

That's exactly how I feel and what so many other women have confided in me.

I'm so tired of this
it makes me so angry, so bitter, I feel so defeated
I haven't got the energy to keep fighting this, it's relentless
I read that wave of utter nastiness, the kind of thing I've never heard out loud from anyone in reality, the utter hatred of females, and I feel physically sick, and it's there in fresh waves every day

But what choice have we got? If we don't stick this out, if we don't woman up and keep writing those letters and reading and talking here and fighting, then women are fucked. Us and our daughters. If we don't no one else is going to.

And I'll tell you; this time when we re achieve women's equality in law, we're not fucking accepting the thin veneer and a few gestures version. It's going to fucking be equality.

VelvetChairGirl · 19/03/2022 17:08

well said, we will not shut up because this is our lives, we cant identify out of the shitstorm all we can do is fight it and we will.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 24/03/2022 10:07

I've been looking at the Critic after reading this article.

There's one from Susan Smith today about For Women Scotland's victory in court with full costs awarded.

150k of crowdfunded money back to FWS to support women. My fifty quid was well invested, I reckon. thecritic.co.uk/victory-for-for-women-scotland/

tabbycatstripy · 24/03/2022 10:09

'she spake unadvisedly with her lips'

Grin
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 24/03/2022 10:46

Most of us on MN seem to be doing the same thing!

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/03/2022 10:50

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Most of us on MN seem to be doing the same thing!
Brings back the days when people thought being called a Disrespectful Woman was a reprimand rather than an accolade.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3378698-Disrespectful-Woman-Posie-P-on-This-Morning?pg=6

Beowulfa · 24/03/2022 12:24

Great stuff.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/03/2022 12:25

150k of crowdfunded money back to FWS to support women.

That's brilliant!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 24/03/2022 16:06

They've billed 75k for stress and unpaid work. Nice.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/feminist-campaigners-send-holyrood-committee-26546779

Feminists are funny when they are furious.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/03/2022 17:38

That's brilliant Grin I expect certain people are not amused though.

NonnyMouse1337 · 25/03/2022 07:41

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

They've billed 75k for stress and unpaid work. Nice.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/feminist-campaigners-send-holyrood-committee-26546779

Feminists are funny when they are furious.

That's so funny and clever. 😂😂
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