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Hospital told police patient not raped because attacker transgender

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Snoodsy · 18/03/2022 02:06

A hospital told the police that a patient could not have been raped because her alleged attacker was trans, the House of Lords has heard.

The attack took place a year ago and the woman reported it but when officers contacted the hospital, which has not been named, they were told “that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened”.

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, who raised the issue during a debate on single-sex wards, continued: “They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers.

“None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened.

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NecessaryScene · 18/03/2022 16:05

The pattern you always see in cases like this is performative disbelief.

It's clear that TeaKlaxon doesn't really disbelieve the Baroness, but is working backwards from the need to discredit the story to find vaguely plausible reasons he can claim he doesn't believe.

This is the same pattern of behaviour you saw in Wi Spa.

Finding any reason to discredit a woman's claims about a man's behaviour.

Tiphaine · 18/03/2022 16:05

Anyway, according to her twitter she has details of other similar cases. Which she'll no doubt be hiding from TeaKlaxon too.

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:05

@Ereshkigalangcleg

And if they didn't say that, I'd like to know why the Baroness claimed they did

She didn't give a verbatim quote, she clearly paraphrased that they told them there was no man who could have committed any rape Confused

I see.

So her claim about what the hospital said wasn't correct, in your view? They didn't actually say there was no male in the hospital?

If so, why are you so confident the rest of the details are so correct if she got that one wrong?

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:06

@Tiphaine

Anyway, according to her twitter she has details of other similar cases. Which she'll no doubt be hiding from TeaKlaxon too.
Well, yes.

If she has details but isn't publicising them, that is the very definition of hiding them isn't it.

Why do you think she is so reluctant to give any specific details?

NecessaryScene · 18/03/2022 16:06

If so, why are you so confident the rest of the details are so correct if she got that one wrong?

A woman getting raped is not a "detail". Confused

Seriously, mate, give your head a shake.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2022 16:07

Did she say she was giving a verbatim quote? No did she not.

Tiphaine · 18/03/2022 16:07

If ... If ... If ...

Yep. I'm calling Bunbury.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2022 16:07

Could we move on from the derailing?

Fieldofflowers22 · 18/03/2022 16:07

I don't care what gender you are or identify. Rape is rape. Unbelievable.

Tiphaine · 18/03/2022 16:08

Why do you think she is so reluctant to give any specific details?

People like you, if I'm honest.

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:08

Incidentally, this wouldn't be the first time the Baroness got something wrong in her efforts to further her views about trans people, would it?

Like that time she falsely claimed that M&S had bowed to her pressure on single sex changing rooms.

Perhaps details aren't her strong suit?

Nnique · 18/03/2022 16:09

A penis is a penis.

Rape is rape.

Male is male.

Female is female.

Sex is immutable.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 18/03/2022 16:10

Tea Klaxon - you have repeatedly insinuated that a peer has sought to mislead the House on a very important and distressing case. You have offered no evidence to back up this assertion. You have provided no reason why BN should have named the police force nor the hospital other than to imply that she is misrepresenting what they said. Furthermore, if you read BN she did clarify that the comment related to the ward not the hospital so why you keep pushing a point that had already been clarified in the original speech is an open question.
Like another poster asked what is your agenda? Why are you trying to side track a discussion on the rape of a woman by a trans person potentially aided by the application of a poorly thought out NHS policy, where that policy also led to a police investigation being misinformed to the victim's detriment.

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:10

@Tiphaine

Why do you think she is so reluctant to give any specific details?

People like you, if I'm honest.

What do you mean by that?

Let's say she said 'this event took place at St George's Hospital in Tooting, and it was the Met Police Force that took their claims at face value'.

What do you think she has to fear from 'people like me' from giving us that information?

loislovesstewie · 18/03/2022 16:11

For crying out loud, perhaps the woman who was raped doesn't want details of the hospital concerned, or the police force concerned being made available to all and sundry. Is that a step too far for some?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 18/03/2022 16:11

I too am going down the Bunbury route from now on

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2022 16:11

Bunbury would be concerned that bunfighty threads often get removed completely.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 18/03/2022 16:12

I will write to my MP about this matter this weekend. I am deeply concerned about the review of Annexe B given the reported comments and lack of proper engagement with women's groups.

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 18/03/2022 16:12

Bunbury!!!!

I have no idea how we eradicate this pernicious batshittery from the NHS. They need their own Maya but who the hell wants to put themselves through what she went through?

ATeamAmy · 18/03/2022 16:13

A nice, decaf coffee is nicer at this time of the day.

RoseslnTheHospital · 18/03/2022 16:13

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude

I will write to my MP about this matter this weekend. I am deeply concerned about the review of Annexe B given the reported comments and lack of proper engagement with women's groups.
I will do the same, this whole thing is just madness.
Theunamedcat · 18/03/2022 16:14

Anyone else know the phrase to send someone to Coventry?

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:14

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude

Tea Klaxon - you have repeatedly insinuated that a peer has sought to mislead the House on a very important and distressing case. You have offered no evidence to back up this assertion. You have provided no reason why BN should have named the police force nor the hospital other than to imply that she is misrepresenting what they said. Furthermore, if you read BN she did clarify that the comment related to the ward not the hospital so why you keep pushing a point that had already been clarified in the original speech is an open question. Like another poster asked what is your agenda? Why are you trying to side track a discussion on the rape of a woman by a trans person potentially aided by the application of a poorly thought out NHS policy, where that policy also led to a police investigation being misinformed to the victim's detriment.
I have said there are holes in this story.

And there are.

I have asked what good reason she has for not naming the hospital and police force, and none have been offered.

I have explained why it would help to know which hospital and police force this occurred in.

First, it would help to have whatever account of the situation they can provide, so we're not just dependent on someone with an agenda of changing the law around trans people's access to certain spaces and with a history of making false claims about those issues.

Second, if what she says is correct, we all have an interest in holding these public bodies to account for such obvious failures.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2022 16:14

I will write to my MP about this matter this weekend. I am deeply concerned about the review of Annexe B given the reported comments and lack of proper engagement with women's groups.

YY. Me too.

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:15

@loislovesstewie

For crying out loud, perhaps the woman who was raped doesn't want details of the hospital concerned, or the police force concerned being made available to all and sundry. Is that a step too far for some?
Why? Revealing the hospital and police force would not identify the woman.