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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Miriam Cates takes Schools Minister to task

14 replies

IsitM · 15/03/2022 14:19

"We shouldn't be pushing adult political agendas in schools"
"Schools are transitioning pupils without their parents' knowledge"
"They are pumping this view you can change sex"

Thank you Miriam Flowers

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TensionWheelsCooIHeels · 15/03/2022 14:49

That's a great exchange, thanks for posting.

Toseland · 15/03/2022 15:17

She was great, clear and reasonable. Flowers I thought the education guy seemed quite reluctant to do anything?!

TooWicked · 15/03/2022 15:31

She is wonderful and very clear Flowers

ResisterRex · 15/03/2022 15:40

According to this, Miriam will be Chair of a new MP-led policy committee on education:

order-order.com/2022/03/03/read-in-full-new-1922-policy-committee-chairmen-revealed/

(Not sure entirely what these committees are, probably just for backbench Conservatives)

Thingybob · 15/03/2022 15:45

What a wet weekend Robin is but you were brilliant Miriam.
Thankyou Flowers

JoyousAsOtters · 15/03/2022 16:36

Miriam, I too would like to know why the hell the teaching of gender issues wasn't included in that group of 'worked examples' for teachers to refer to.

rogdmum · 15/03/2022 16:37

Miriam is fantastic. She really understands the issue, and just as importantly, she really cares about the issue.

Fluffymule · 15/03/2022 17:28

I recently watched an interview with Miriam by Gloria De Piero. About halfway through she directly asked Miriam, in relation to a Telegraph article she had written, to confirm her position on TWAW/what is a women.

Miriam didn't hesitate or fudge. She stated that she believed in biological reality. Calmly, reasonably but with no apology.

It's so frustrating that women MPs outside of the Conservative party can't speak so freely and unambiguously about this.

I don't believe the female Labour MPs who have lined up recently to say TWAW, and other similar sentiments to keep to the party line, are being honest.

And this will have a double impact in that firstly it will stop many women voting for them now. Secondly when this whole ideological circus is discredited and they try to distance themselves from their current position they will be attacked for going along with it. For being too cowardly or cynically motivated to speak the truth when women's sex based rights and safeguarding was at real threat.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/03/2022 17:43

That was a very good exchange. Schools have been promised EHRC guidance for years and as Miriam pointed out, in the absence of this, they are using all the awful materials produced by the politically biased queer theory groups. I wonder whether the DfE are still as captured by Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence Mermaids which is why nothing that challenges the trans ideological grip on safeguarding and schools is ever produced?

WarriorNew · 15/03/2022 17:46

@rogdmum

Miriam is fantastic. She really understands the issue, and just as importantly, she really cares about the issue.

She really does. The language is spot on.

Cass will force this issue further.

WarriorNew · 15/03/2022 17:46

Im warriorN but new platform isn't letting me use the name i own!

rogdmum · 15/03/2022 17:51

The EHRC guidance, while helpful as it will clarify single sex toilets etc, won’t cover the issues around the teaching of gender ideology in schools and it won’t cover the issue of schools supporting the social transition of pupils behind parents backs and/or without parental consent. That’s what Miriam was pushing for and Robin Walker is refusing to understand the distinction. I’m not convinced any new EHRC guidance will be helpful for these issues at all, given that the current EHRC technical guidance to schools tells schools to immediately affirm with no lower age boundary. I’ve written to them, and they are quite adamant their stance is correct from the perspective they take which is obviously from an EA point of view and not a safeguarding one.

ResisterRex · 15/03/2022 18:07

@JoyousAsOtters

Miriam, I too would like to know why the hell the teaching of gender issues wasn't included in that group of 'worked examples' for teachers to refer to.
Me too. I wonder if there is some legal technical "we have to defend this" aspect to this case:

www.lbc.co.uk/news/parents-warned-son-6-could-be-transphobic-after-he-was-confused-by-a-boy-wearing/

And why gender ideology is not in the political guidance?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/03/2022 21:24

@rogdmum

The EHRC guidance, while helpful as it will clarify single sex toilets etc, won’t cover the issues around the teaching of gender ideology in schools and it won’t cover the issue of schools supporting the social transition of pupils behind parents backs and/or without parental consent. That’s what Miriam was pushing for and Robin Walker is refusing to understand the distinction. I’m not convinced any new EHRC guidance will be helpful for these issues at all, given that the current EHRC technical guidance to schools tells schools to immediately affirm with no lower age boundary. I’ve written to them, and they are quite adamant their stance is correct from the perspective they take which is obviously from an EA point of view and not a safeguarding one.
You're right rogdmum The trans lobby have a massive influence in the DfE & all the teacher unions. The DfE still signposts the Cornwall guidelines to schools which promotes keeping secrets from parents (along with the other extremist guidance ). It's excellent that Miriam said out loud that schools transition children in secret as I don't think many people realise that this repeatedly happens.
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