Starmer's chosen words

[EarthSight]

Did anyone else notice how carefully chosen his words were? Instead of saying 'adult female' he said 'female adult'.

'Female adult' is correct, but that word order places emphasis on the adult bit, not the female. 'Female' is used as an adjective here.......which is more subjective.

'Adult female' places the emphasis very much on the 'female', a noun.

Also, if he'd given the dictionary definition, I'm sure some people would have lost their minds over it.

It's a shit show.

No, it's not "literally the law" that TWAW. It just isn't. There's a whole list of exemptions there to outline that TW with a GRC can be treated "as if they were" women in some context some of the time.

Seeing as the vast, vast majority of TW don't have or have no intention to get a GRC, he's talking about cross dressers and transvestites, who have no legal right to be treated as though they're woman, and trying to claim that they do.

He's a dangerous misogynistic lying cunt.

^ sorry I angrily missed off an important point

There's a whole list of exemptions there in the Equality Act 2010 to outline that TW with a GRC can be treated "as if they were" ...

...and obviously agree with everything you said EarthSight

@EarthSight

Did anyone else notice how carefully chosen his words were? Instead of saying 'adult female' he said 'female adult'.

'Female adult' is correct, but that word order places emphasis on the adult bit, not the female. 'Female' is used as an adjective here.......which is more subjective.

'Adult female' places the emphasis very much on the 'female', a noun.

Also, if he'd given the dictionary definition, I'm sure some people would have lost their minds over it.

Yes, I've been pondering this and wanted to check a couple of things before posting about it.

No, it's not "literally the law" that TWAW. It just isn't. There's a whole list of exemptions there to outline that TWwith a GRCcan be treated "as if they were" women in some context some of the time.

Seeing as the vast, vast majority of TW don't have or have no intention to get a GRC, he's talking about cross dressers and transvestites, who have no legal right to be treated as though they're woman, and trying to claim that they do.

He's a dangerous misogynistic lying cunt.

^This. And yet somehow incredibly lame and bland at the same time.

He is a complete coward and will never get my vote.

@FemaleAndLearning

He is a complete coward and will never get my vote.

Quite.

He is a coward and a fool.

Sounds like the typical weasel-words of a politician who does not want to make a clear statement. Sounds like he knows exactly what a woman is and what the law is, but has tried to dilute his statement so that he pleases everybody - but of course pleases nobody.

Very concerning that the Leader of the Opposition believes he needs to lie and dissemble in order to keep his position.

You can always tell when a politician is making a deliberately vague statement because they preface or follow it by telling us how clear and straightforward they are being.

Look on change org for a petition to get Keir Starmer to correct his misleading comments.

@EarthSight you are absolutely correct - for some reason I didn’t notice this yesterday when I read about Starmer.

Trans activists have recently started claiming “female” too, so presumably Starmer won’t be getting rape or death threats? In that reading, transwomen are now female as well as women.

I noticed it too but wasn’t able to articulate it as well as you op. I wondered if he was deliberately avoiding the ‘adult human female’ description as it would make the reclamation of the definition more ‘famous’ or something.
If he uses his description again someone needs to ask if he means an adult female cow/ dog/ horse.

Looks like I’m voting Conservative again.

Every word of his sentence on what a woman is and ‘safe spaces’ was carefully chosen. And delivered to maintain obfuscation around the issue.

‘Female’ - well that links in to the ‘F’ that can be ticked with a GRC doesn’t it. The legal ‘female’.

Of course they also cannot say adult human female because that has become our protest phrase. And labour using it would cause explosions. So, without the ‘human’ since Starmer is also talking about law, does that mean a female cat is a woman to. A female cat also is a vagina/uterus haver too. Ridiculous? Yes. But he left an important bit out.

Just like he said ‘safe spaces’. Not single sex spaces. So, again, a nothing statement.

From a QC. So no. His statement was obscure enough to be worthless to women. But clear that he was TW AW. He indicated what he officially believes and then delivered the usual ‘this debate is too hot and needs to lose heat’ admonisher.

The only thing clear is that he is a politician who is not fully supportive of women and girl’s needs.

The only thing clear is that he is a politician

Well he identifies as a politician. He’s never going to be PM is he?

@Fairislefandango

No, it's not "literally the law" that TWAW. It just isn't. There's a whole list of exemptions there to outline that TWwith a GRCcan be treated "as if they were" women in some context some of the time.

Seeing as the vast, vast majority of TW don't have or have no intention to get a GRC, he's talking about cross dressers and transvestites, who have no legal right to be treated as though they're woman, and trying to claim that they do.

He's a dangerous misogynistic lying cunt.

^This. And yet somehow incredibly lame and bland at the same time.

Yes

And ive no idea how he manages it

Plonker

I've nothing but contempt for him now. Have signed the petition he can't be allowed to get away with this.

Evidently intelligent yet deliberately devious and worryingly anti women. Has he commented on the interim report from the Cass Enquiry? Does he even care? Doubt it.
Odious man.

It never ceases to amaze me that this conversation should ever be happening.

I agree using "female" as an adjective is weaker than using it as a noun. Female is often used as a synonym for "of women" but a "female" is a more scientific sounding sex based term, distinct to a "male". Which it is, obviously, as is woman, if we are honest about it. But woman is subject to more obfuscation, as most people, even trans rights advocates outside the extremist TRA bubble do realise that there need to exist terms for the two sex classes.

@Rhannion

He is a coward and a fool.

Yes.

@MidsomerMurmurs

The only thing clear is that he is a politician

Well he identifies as a politician. He’s never going to be PM is he?

Ahahahaha, love this! How very true.

Yes, I noticed straight away and I know he's deliberately using it that way and why.

he's a out of the closet incel.

well he is now, been itching to open the door fully for a while tho.