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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

People in NI- GRA

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wimpund · 10/03/2022 21:52

Researchers in NI are looking good kong for views on the Gender Recognition Act if any one wants to provide their views on the legislation and its applicability in NI. www.qub.ac.uk/News/Allnews/ResearcherscallingforviewsonNorthernIrelandsGenderRecognitionAct.html

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Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 22:16

Thanks for this

MintTeaLady · 10/03/2022 23:36

Thank you so much!

MintTeaLady · 10/03/2022 23:38

What an opening question…

MintTeaLady · 10/03/2022 23:39

Apologies if this double posts the screenshot.

People in NI- GRA
Scorchedterf · 11/03/2022 00:14

Well that. Was full of leading questions, how on earth are they allowed to put it out.

TheCraicDealer · 11/03/2022 00:17

Just completed it and sent it to my equally TERFY sister.

The questions just get worse as they go on. On the one asking if I agreed or disagreed about "secret organisations influencing politicians" I swear to fuck I would have put "what, like stonewall?" if there'd been a freetype box.

Abitofalark · 11/03/2022 00:34

What a question indeed.

I haven't looked any further but I fear that's an indication of a shoddy piece of work.

wimpund · 11/03/2022 01:39

Yes some of the questions were a bit Hmm but
I found enough freeform boxes to add text. Thankfully it is anonymous although I'm curious what the difference between the versions are.

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NorthernIrishFeminist · 11/03/2022 09:55

The LGB(plus the other letters) version asked about views on spousal veto.
There is a significant Catholic community in NI which makes this a very relevant question. Spousal veto allows a wife to get an annulment which has very different impact on how the church treats her. Now I have problems with the churches standpoint on divorce but that is harder to change.

MTCoffeePot · 11/03/2022 13:00

I've just completed the survey. The 'attitude' questions at the end were very leading. I wish I'd thought to screenshot the questionnaire so that I could share it here.

NitroNine · 11/03/2022 13:05

How the hell were they allowed to put that out?!

(And from Queen’s too: does institutional capture = abandoning basic standards?)

Abitofalark · 11/03/2022 18:42

Indeed, Nitro. Standards give way easily before certain special things.

It's from the Psychology department. I wonder who's in charge of that.

NitroNine · 11/03/2022 21:56

Head of School is Prof Teresa McCormack but it’s Dr Ioana Latu who’s in charge of the project. There are 4 doctoral students in this part of the school of psychology at the moment (according to their website) & Bethan Iley would be an obvious supervisee of Dr Latu’s even if she didn’t state it on her bio. One biography is blank other than a name, so no idea whether or not that student would be involved.

Surely the survey isn’t fit for purpose purely because of the ambiguity of the wording with “I am ally or non-LGBT” (or whatever it was, sorry) has the potential to cause people to exclude themselves as they don’t consider themselves “LBGT allies” (or believe in dinosaurs, feminist or otherwise…)? And they do need to hear from those people just as much as The Pronoun People - even in a soft science you can’t put your finger on the scale like that.

MySexMatters · 11/03/2022 23:23

@NitroNine

How the hell were they allowed to put that out?!

(And from Queen’s too: does institutional capture = abandoning basic standards?)

Not the first time:

qpol.qub.ac.uk/attitudes-to-transgender-people-in-northern-ireland-the-importance-of-survey-data/

The questions in the NILT survey were also somewhat leading.

MySexMatters · 11/03/2022 23:32

The QUB Diversity and Inclusion Unit no longer records staff members' sex, or even formerly synonymous 'gender', just gender identity.

NitroNine · 12/03/2022 00:39

MySexMatters

Not just leading questions* that was a shocker of a write-up from the information that would have been available to them! I hope they warmed up thoroughly before all that stretching Hmm (Thank you for providing link!)

That’s dreadful about their so-called “Diversity & Inclusion” Unit. One way to escape the gender pay-gap bot; but absolutely shameful for such a place of learning (where women were qualifying as doctors in the 1890s!!!) to so scorn not simply reality, but the efforts of generations of women. Male as default can only ever begin to be challenged if there is accurate data available about the female of the species & institutions of all kinds are abandoning any pretence at collecting it. Utterly depressing, & all the more so because so many women eagerly participate in perpetuating our subjugation.

  • oh, that handy push to “they may have had surgery never mind that most TW retain their penises ” to conjure absence of threat with image of old-school dysphoric “transsexual”
MySexMatters · 12/03/2022 10:35

Agree, NitroNine. It's frightening when this is official university output.

There's also this:

www.newsletter.co.uk/education/transgenderism-queens-university-equality-policy-is-open-to-abuse-by-those-who-want-to-silence-others-3051571?amp

Abitofalark · 12/03/2022 15:01

That's a very interesting article and goes into more depth than you'd normally see in a newspaper item. It's from November 2020. I wonder if they ever got disclosure of the earlier equality policy.

There must be a large body of female graduates going back over years who would not be happy with this, if they knew about it, which is unlikely. And we don't know what current female undergraduates may feel.

334bu · 12/03/2022 16:05

Since when are people with VSDs considered to be neither male nor female?

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