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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This Never Happens, with extra awfulness

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 10/03/2022 08:05

On the 8th March (international women's day) I came across an article reporting that the dismembered remains of an unidentified woman had been found in New York.

nypost.com/2022/03/08/human-leg-found-in-nyc-just-blocks-away-from-torso-discovery/

She has been identified. The suspected killer is her partner. Yet again.

An 83-year-old serial killer who spent the bulk of her life behind bars for killing two ex-girlfriends is now being eyed in the murder of another woman whose dismembered body turned up in Brooklyn last week, The Post has learned.

Wait for it...

Harvey Marcelin, who identifies as a transgender woman, was charged last week with concealment of a human corpse after she was allegedly caught on surveillance video dumping human remains near her apartment, according to sources and court records.

The octogenarian spent more than 50 years in state prison on murder and manslaughter convictions dating to 1963, state prison records show.

That rap stemmed from the April 18, 1963 shooting death of her live-in girlfriend, Jacqueline Bonds, inside the couple’s Manhattan apartment, according to sources.

Marcelin snapped, shooting Bond three times when she said she was leaving her, sources said.

Marcelin was sentenced to 20 years-to-life that same year but was freed on lifetime parole in May 1984, state prison records show.

The killer was free for less than a year when she was busted again for fatally stabbing another live-in girlfriend — stuffing her body into a bag she’d dumped on the street near Central Park, sources and court records said.

She was convicted of first-degree manslaughter in that case in 1986 and sentenced to a 6-to-12-year term in prison.

Marcelin was denied parole several times, sources said, and admitted at one hearing that she had “a problem with women.”

nypost.com/2022/03/09/serial-killer-83-eyed-in-case-of-dismembered-body-found-in-nyc

Yet again, we are being expected to respect the pronouns of someone who does not identify with women, and who expresses their hatred of women in ways that are impossible to miss. But we're supposed to pretend we don't see that this male thinks women's lives belong to them to take, and to accept them as a woman.

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Hoardasurass · 10/03/2022 08:21

Ffs

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 10/03/2022 08:30

Please pay attention to particular aspects of the timeline

April 18, 1963 - shoots and kills Jacqueline Bond/Bonds (Jacqueline's surname is listed as Bond and as Bonds in the same article, so we don't even know her name).

Marcelin was freed on lifetime parole in May 1984,
Less than a year later Marcelin had fatally stabbing another partner, who is unnamed.

Marcelin remained in prison for this second killing until being released from the Cayuga Correctional Facility upstate in late 2019.

And by March 2022, Susan Layden, 68, was dead. Susan was last seen on surveillance video entering Marcelin’s Pennsylvania Avenue apartment on Feb. 27, wheeling “a multi-colored bag with a flower decal” on it, according to the criminal complaint.

Part of her body was later found inside that same bag.

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OhHolyJesus · 10/03/2022 08:31

My only response that wouldn't be deleted is this.

Send complaints. This is for subscription but they can direct the complaint to the right department.

[email protected].

Or maybe even this?

New York Post community: [email protected]

How utterly sick and insulting to the victims.

DomesticatedZombie · 10/03/2022 09:33

Utterly grim. Poor women.

MintMocha · 10/03/2022 09:59

God that's awful.

The language of the article doesn't seem right to me either, besides all the pronoun stuff. It still sounds victim blaming somehow - phrases like "Micelin 'snapped'" - 'snapped' to me suggests that they are implying he'd been patiently tolerating her behaviour until it finally became too much or something, like we are supposed to have sympathy for him. Or later on, he was 'busted'. This may be a UK/US difference in how it's used, but I read 'busted' as a sort of informal way of saying caught, implying there was kind of an underdog that people know was doing something wrong but they kind of hoped wouldn't be caught.

The whole article just ends up sounding like the women don't matter, or that it was their fault.

Circumferences · 10/03/2022 10:40

@OhHolyJesus

My only response that wouldn't be deleted is this.

Send complaints. This is for subscription but they can direct the complaint to the right department.

[email protected].

Or maybe even this?

New York Post community: [email protected]

How utterly sick and insulting to the victims.

Than you

I've written a letter to the editor.

Whatamesssss · 11/03/2022 17:27

In his parole hearing for his second murder he said "I have a problem with women"

How was he ever released?

NitroNine · 12/03/2022 02:13

How is it that the American justice system dishes out whole life prison terms like it does sweets on Halloween & will deny parole to people who patently shouldn’t have been imprisoned in the first place & who are clearly no threat to anyone but this animated excrement has TWICE been released to again brutally murder a woman?!

Descriptions of VAWG in the media are so utterly enraging so much of the time. Not simply the crimes themselves, but they way they’re written about: victims dehumanised & perpetrators spun into sympathetic figures. (If you’ve never done it, just compare coverage of male family annihilators to that of women who kill their disabled child[ren] because they no longer feel able to care for them & have no support sometime: martyrs vs monsters, basically.)

Gruesome crimes often get detailed in a way that surely can’t truly be said to be in the public interest. VAWG (indeed any crime) shouldn’t be written up into pseudo-Penny Dreadfuls to entertain a readership numbed by ever-younger exposure to ever-increasingly graphic images of violence of all kinds across all forms of media.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 12/03/2022 02:53

But Nitro, those people with the whole life terms have done really awful things like stealing a loaf of bread three times, indicating an irredeemable criminal nature.

Marcelin had only committed two minor peccadilloes, like shooting one "live-in girlfriend" (who isn't important enough to get her surname right) and stabbing another (who isn't important enough to have a name or be described outside her relationship to him).

That's totally different!

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Jux · 13/03/2022 00:06

Salacious.

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