Feeling really low today

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I know it's best to step back for a bit if this is upsetting me so much but this is really getting under my skin so I wanted to post here first. I had been following TT Exulansic on YT and seeing her followers grow was giving me such hope that lots of people were being reached regarding the full horrors of the surgeries that are performed. The way things have played out with her have really knocked me. She was genuinely achieving something before things too the turn they did.

I keep getting a WEP person on my TikTok (I think she is one of their deputy leaders) posting things that make my blood boil. How are we in this situation where a new party with fabulous potential to help women is just sticking a dagger in our backs? This TikTok account (I really don't want to make things personal and name her) is so enraging, I want to cry for the many women and girls who need strong politicians and some real change when women with some voice are getting caught up with all the gender nonsense. I think because of Afghanistan and now Ukraine I am feeling more fragile about things at the moment. There are so many things we could be focusing on if we weren't having to fight these silly battles about gender.

I just had someone from Labour knock on my door asking if I'd vote Labour - I used to but had to say not a chance in hell right now. She didn't look surprised. I didn't have the heart to get into a debate today.

I know we're making progress, it helps so much to see lots of strong women stand up and fight for single sex spaces, etc. I just want to be able to flick a switch and have this all go away.

I doubt Liz will come back, they're doing the can can, and also don't have very much to contribute here or on any other thread they've popped into to tell us how awful we are. Like other pp I think it's telling that these people tend to pop up when people are struggling.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I doubt Liz will come back, they're doing the can can, and also don't have very much to contribute here or on any other thread they've popped into to tell us how awful we are. Like other pp I think it's telling that these people tend to pop up when people are struggling.

Hm. An attempt to pick on people when they are vulnerable. Lovely. This is the 'bekind' movement in action.

Totally understand. Last week there was a post on Twitter by a woman who was in a mixed sex toilet and there was a man in there peeing with the cubicle door open. When she challenged him he had a real go at her and it left her feeling shaken. So this is where we are now, no safe spaces of our own, and unable to challenge men on it. It's so unfair and so upsetting, reading her account made me feel both furious and helpless. It feels like such a huge con that's been played on women and yes, whilst we are pushing back, sometimes it feels like a huge mountain to climb...

We will get there

I never would have come onto this section of Mumsnet in th3 past . But it’s been just a great education for me.

We will get there.

#bekind was never about anything more than shutting people especially women up

I came across something in my emails today it was an email I wrote to the local labour party candidate I detailed statistics examples and a clear concise argument against self id and the removal of protected spaces for women he never responded this is why I won't vote for him more to the point he won't come back he won't discuss with anyone womens rights he had failed to oust the Conservative Mp multiple occasions our mp who is allegedly a bit of a sex pest and who clearly understands what a woman is people bote for an alleged sex pest rather than him and he doesn't feel the need to engage in discussion 🙄 one woman said I vote for (Conservative mp) the guy is a tosser but he knows a woman when he sees one

How low has it all got

Sorry to hear you're feeling really low, it's only natural with all that's going on. But you're right, progress is being made, and will continue to be made.

Take care of yourself, have a little break, hope you'll be back to your usual self real soon.

I'll be checking on the links given (thank you) and catching up with more of the messages here on the board.

Hi.

Just have a little look at Julie Bindel's Twitter today. That should cheer you up. It did me.

@LizDoingTheCanCan

You're not making progress. Most people believe do not have the concerns they do, because they manage to keep a more rational perspective. That's all you need to do to flick that switch, come back to the real world, understand that trans people are people like the rest of us, not some enemy wanting to cause you harm.

Really trans are not some enemy wanting to cause you harm? Do you really believe that? The abuse, harassment,threats and misogyny of transgender politics is documented.

Show me evidence of anything remotely similar coming from our side as to what is documented at the following site

terfisaslur.com/

terfisaslur.com/2-abuse-harassment-and-dehumanizing-language/

terfisaslur.com/erasing-female-biology/

terfisaslur.com/centering-trans-people-in-all-discussions/

terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

terfisaslur.com/j-k-rowling/

I was working with two male engineers on Friday, two men I barely know, and one of them mentioned he was concerned about the things his daughter is learning at school. He and the whole family ride bikes and his daughter helps him maintain the bikes and has expressed an interest at school in becoming an engineer (she's 10). There have been comments from teachers and other pupils along the lines of engineering being for boys and a coupe of the children had said she could change sex. He and his wife approached the school and were very unhappy with the response. They'd been googling and were horrified at what's going on in Welsh education. I worked away quietly with them while he explained it all to the other guy he was working with and by the end of the day the second man was ready to go to his children's school and ask about loos and what they're being taught.

Word is trickling down. Ordinary people who love the women in their families aren't prepared to put up with all the gender bs.

See I was an engineer.

A female one.

I dread to think what would have happened if I was trying to do engineering now.

There have been comments from teachers and other pupils along the lines of engineering being for boys and a coupe of the children had said she could change sex.

What the actual fuck?! Those teachers are a disgrace!

I'm sorry you're feeling overwhelmed by it all. I think we all get like that from time to time and need to step away. Kudos to the good women of the naughty corner who never give up posting for the benefit of the lurkers.

I do feel that things are getting better. The push back is noticeable. Yesterday I posted on IG about JKR's pledge to match donations to Lumos. An old friend mentioned something along the lines of keyboard warriors pushing the idea that JKR is anti trans but she doesn't believe it. I started to DM her and then thought fuck it, I'll respond on the post. Kept it very faux naive about having read her essay and not seeing anything transphobic just pro women. I've had several likes on that comment and subsequent positive comments - no hateful bigot remarks (although I'm sure my sister will be along soon to woke scold me)

Women have had enough, are starting to realise that a lot of us feel the same and are getting braver. Look after yourself and come back stronger 💐

There have been comments from teachers and other pupils along the lines of engineering being for boys and a coupe of the children had said she could change sex

That’s awful and I think it highlights big problem with the influence of gender ideology and its pushing of stereotypes. While transactivists will try to argue that it’s not about stereotypes, that’s ultimately what filters down to kids and people like teachers who are being told what to think by stonewall etc. if you must prioritise and encourage trans identities above all else, which is essentially what’s happening in schools as well as other institutions, you end up prioritising gender stereotypes because how else can you accommodate the whole concept? It’s not just trans-identifying kids that are encouraged to inhabit a stereotype, but everyone else too, so as to make the whole trans thing make sense. And these attitudes are what kids are soaking up now.

And what a surprise, who gets what on the most by that. Girls :(

Kids at school can barely get their head around the idea that my dd is a girl who has short hair and likes trousers. It’s so obviously damaging and teachers cheer it all on in their desperation to do the right thing.

Shat on not what on!

OP, the best thing is to join a real local group, and then you can meet up, in person, with all the wonderful like- minded terfs.

Posie is starting up some local groups.
The Resisters have local groups.
Contact the Woman's Rights Network for local groups - they are on twitter or email [email protected]

Local groups are springing up like mushrooms, I'm sure that others can suggest more?

But meeting real women, and real action is the key