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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girls Journeying Together - for our daughters

27 replies

Goatsaregreat · 06/03/2022 12:31

This was is in the Sunday Times today- such a wonderful girl centred initiative aiming to support them through puberty and to tackle mental health challenges:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3ef889be-9499-11ec-bcb9-65f2c5c7f961?shareToken=cd430e4ab1f3851498a93a5750e185f1

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viques · 06/03/2022 12:42

Interesting. I get the feeling that if parents turned up with a trans boy McKabe would gently but firmly redirect

viques · 06/03/2022 12:44

them to a more suitable group. She clearly has girls interests at heart.

McCabe. Apologies.

KittyLeMew · 06/03/2022 12:52

Love this!

Goatsaregreat · 06/03/2022 12:58

It's interesting (and pleasing) that the focus is on understanding / aligning the mind and body. She's studied child psychology, taught SRE and is a counsellor of teenagers. At a time when young people, especially girls are under siege from dubious adults trying to persuade them that their body is problematic and needs fixing, this is such constructive approach.

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Masdintle · 06/03/2022 14:01

I want to volunteer to train to run one of those groups.

Glenthebattleostrich · 06/03/2022 14:05

i would love to start a group like this near me. It is a fantastic idea.

Ionlydomassiveones · 06/03/2022 14:07

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Duchessfloofy · 06/03/2022 14:08

Oh I want to run one of them!

stargirl1701 · 06/03/2022 14:13

I couldn't find any Scottish groups on their website.

Goatsaregreat · 06/03/2022 14:33

Here you are for everyone interested, this is their "mother" group:

www.ritesforgirls.com/

It looks so interesting:
We inspire and empower girls using circle-based mentorship; guiding them, building their inner resources and their friendships so they grow up strong and free.
We train women to carry out this important work; and support parents to do their best parenting in times of difficulty

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Duchessfloofy · 06/03/2022 15:05

I remember when social work had group work like this for vulnerable preteens and teenage girls - I loved facillitating those groups and the girls really seemed to get something out of it. Sadly , it's all firefighting and paperwork now . 😭

MaryPearl · 06/03/2022 15:08

I thought this looked brilliant, but I am worried that in their safeguarding docs they don’t mention the Equality Act 2010, which is what empowers single sex spaces, and I couldn’t find the FAQs to see if they have a policy about boys who “identify” as girls. Remember “Girl” Guiding? Cautiously optimistic but….

Goatsaregreat · 06/03/2022 15:27

From what I've read MaryPearl this is very much centred around pubertal development / cycles / emotional development and growth to womanhood. I would hope that any parents of trans children would respect this as a single sex initiative - they do ask women to be involved and mentor, not men / fathers as it's of course a different dynamic.

There's nothing to stop parents of trans children from setting up their own groups for their children or any of the numerous wealthy lobby groups to do the same.

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MaryPearl · 06/03/2022 16:50

I hope you are right, but there is so little left now that is purely for girls.

Goatsaregreat · 06/03/2022 17:35

I hope you are right, but there is so little left now that is purely for girls

You're right - and that's why it was such a pleasure to see this.

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Fallingirl · 06/03/2022 17:36

It sounds like a safeguarding nightmare.

They promise confidentiality, nobody is allowed to mention to anyone what was said in the group, and they aren’t accountable to anybody.

They also include local volunteers, adults and teens, who could hold absolutely any beliefs about what constitutes healthy girlhood. This section is worrying:

“After last month’s “intense” session on periods, today’s is deliberately more fun and relaxed, with female mentors — a mix of mid-teen GJT graduates and adults from the local community — invited in to help the girls sew lavender eye pillows, paint stones or make a “memory book” in smaller breakout groups. The idea is to encourage the girls to connect with women outside their family “who get them, who are safe to talk to”, McCabe explains. “Girls need these women, so the incidental chatting is actually very important.””

An awful lot of damage could be caused before anyone even hears about it. -an obvious example could be older girls and women believing some girls are actually boys, and given the age disparity, the older girls’ or mums’ opinions are like to hold sway.

I think it’s a fantastic idea, but they urgently need people with safeguarding expertise to advise them.

It would be very interesting to see how they react to being told this; they should be delighted that people care about girls’ safety, but some organisations unfortunately double down that they are perfectly safe, thank you very much, and refuse to take safeguarding concerns seriously.

Phobiaphobic · 06/03/2022 17:52

Trans women gonna be trying crash this one way or another in 3...2...1...

Goatsaregreat · 06/03/2022 18:43

They do have a safeguarding policy Fallingirl.The confidentiality about what goes on in the group is a standard "house rule" for all sorts of groups where children / adults discuss and share

Just as primary schools invite members of their local communities in to work with children, like senior citizens, parents etc, so this group invites members of the community in to do handicrafts etc. I genuinely know nothing about these groups other than what I've read today. But it seems a creative and insightful way of working with girls and that's sadly lacking at the moment.

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DomesticatedZombie · 06/03/2022 22:30

thanks for sharing, OP, what a lovely idea.

24 per cent of 14-year-old girls (compared with 9 per cent of boys) have symptoms of depression

That is depressing in itself.

DomesticatedZombie · 06/03/2022 22:36

I wonder if Kim McCabe would do a webchat session here on MN?

AgathaMystery · 07/03/2022 09:02

@Masdintle

I want to volunteer to train to run one of those groups.
You can’t volunteer. You pay for your training. I had a look last night. There is no mention of on their site about how much training costs which is odd as the site is otherwise very transparent.

I eventually found a crowdfunder for a woman who is training with them.

£4K ish for training
£1k (just over) for the accommodations (27 nights away - which is most working Women’s entire AL for a whole year)
£ few hundred for essay submissions and travel.

It’s a lot.

The fact that there are 3 residentials of 9 nights each means this is not a course for working women or working mothers. This is a course for middle class women who have a large support network and a partner who can have their kids for 9 nights at a time.

Projected income is just £18k if you run 4 courses a month. So that’s 12 hours a week that isn’t school hours. So £18k a year for working every weekend. Hmm

That said I think it looks great and will keep a close eye as I’d like to send my DC.

UsernameNotAvailableHmm · 07/03/2022 10:45

It sounds wonderful, so beneficial for girls,
Something I would've greatly appreciated as a young girl,
Please let's keep it for girls, girls only...

suoixna · 07/03/2022 18:21

My DD is currently doing one of these groups. It's really amazing - so good to be able to talk about all the changes she's going through in such a safe and supportive group. There is a lot of focus on biology - bodily changes/periods etc - so I really can't see how it could ever be appropriate for trans girls. The mums all joined the girls for one session and shared our own first period stories.

Re. the point above about outside volunteers etc, I can see this could be problematic - but fortunately this hasn't happened in my daughter's group.

Masdintle · 07/03/2022 20:30

Interesting, Agatha, thanks. That's quite expensive and yes, difficult for those of us who work full time, never mind those of us who work full time and have children.

AgathaMystery · 11/03/2022 22:54

@suoixna

My DD is currently doing one of these groups. It's really amazing - so good to be able to talk about all the changes she's going through in such a safe and supportive group. There is a lot of focus on biology - bodily changes/periods etc - so I really can't see how it could ever be appropriate for trans girls. The mums all joined the girls for one session and shared our own first period stories.

Re. the point above about outside volunteers etc, I can see this could be problematic - but fortunately this hasn't happened in my daughter's group.

Interesting!! I’m glad she is loving it. Will def consider it for my daughter.