Always advert - 61% of young people have felt ashamed for having a period

I don't know that looks contradictory. Because they are acknowledging female biology. Except they're not in acknowledging that it fucking belongs to females.

Interesting point re the scent.

No one I know wants that awful smell - it infects everything in your bag like nappy sacks do. And yet, they persist in making them like that despite the feedback.

Why is hypothetical feedback from a teeny, weeny minority given such weight?

It’s obvious in this case. But if you hear a smaller statistic, say ‘10% of people have reported delayed periods after medication x’, how do you know whether that’s 10% or 20% of all female patients? That’s a huge difference.

Exactly. Like "x% of "people" have endometriosis" which is obscure because a lot of people in general won't know that endemetriosis is a female only condition. 20% of people could be 20% of women or 40%.

which is obscure because a lot of people in general won't know that endemetriosis is a female only condition

And you're not allowed to tell them!

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I wonder how much of this is ideological - as in they want to buy into gender ideology - and how much is just that if they use words like women or girls or even females, they know they will be hit with a load of aggressive complaints? As far as that goes they are really between a rock and a hard place, or they may think they are. Though I suspect that if they stood up for their decision it would be dropped quickly.

Maybe these (obviously female) people feel like this because their schools, colleges and universities have made toilets mixed sex and pretend like girls don't exist anymore.

Always products are shit anyhow. Overly scented and make you sweaty and itchy. Only to be used in a dire emergency.

Great so girls dealing with one of the most sex specific experiences of their lives have to have their identities erased to ‘be kind’. How can we expect girls to grow up with any kind of confidence when they aren’t allowed their own identity or language.

There’s also a massive disconnect between discussing period shame and making scented products (which are bad for women).

Let’s all write and let them know!

Ads are supposed to be accurate. These have false statistics and we all should complain.

Everyone not obsessed with trans women got the message so I am guessing hardly any young women were confused by the language used.

Seriously, no one outside of this thread ( and I think even some on here think its apreposterous suggestion ) that the inclusive stats were distracting the target audience from the message.

Yay, you're back, Disgusted!

Imagine seeing you here on a thread about periods! Is it something you feel strongly about, women's periods?

@DisgustedofManchester so what, just fuck maths and fuck statistical accuracy then? Who cares, get with the programme, right? Except the UK already has a massive problem with numeracy and this kind of shot doesn't help, does it?

Everyone not obsessed with trans women got the message

I don't have a clue what you think this issue has to do with trans women- you are the first person to mention them.

Imagine barging onto a thread about periods, on a feminist board, on a site for mothers, to talk about transwomen. As a male.

It's likely that the average viewer understands the true meaning of the statistic because the average viewer knows that boys and men do not menstruate.

On the other hand, when the same type of distorted language is used to describe how many women ("people") suffer from endometriosis, there is likely more misunderstanding on the part of the public. Likewise, when a woman receives a letter telling her that "people with a cervix" need cervical screening, that is problematic. Older women who just make an annual appointment with their regular gynecologist may not be affected because their gynecologist just automatically does the appropriate thing for women of that age. But a young woman who does not have a relationship with a gynecologist might have no idea what screenings she requires. A woman who has limited contact with healthcare providers because of her personal situation, might also not understand what is meant.

And it's even more problematic when it comes to statistics that SHOULD be broken down by sex, but where pushing male and female together, can allow inequities in care to be hidden. For example, "X% of young people in lower income communities have access to sport," or "Y% of young people miss school weekly because of taking care of younger siblings." In such cases, the public has an interest in knowing whether males and females are being treated equitably, and "young people" or just "people" does not give the needed information.

Not caught up on whole thread yet - glad I found it as I was v annoyed when I saw the advert last night!

Everyone not obsessed with trans women got the message so I am guessing hardly any young women were confused by the language used

And why would that be?

Would it possibly be because the only reasons always get to virtue signal like this is because someone else has done the dirty work of explaining to their daughters that they are female. Girls. And that they have periods.

None of this would work otherwise

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Would it possibly be because the only reasons always get to virtue signal like this is because someone else has done the dirty work of explaining to their daughters that they are female. Girls. And that they have periods.

Exactly.

The only reason that Always can earn virtue cookies in this way is because we all know that only females have periods. Always are working on the assumption that when they say 'people' we are thinking 'women and girls'. Because, despite all the claims to the contrary, when it comes down to it everyone knows who are the men and who are the women.

Even @DisgustedofManchester.

"Ads are supposed to be accurate. These have false statistics and we all should complain."

Well I think that's also a very important point. People = all human beings of any gender or sex or age. 60% of "people" feel ashamed for having a period literally means 60% = anyone ashamed for having a period / all people of any gender X 100. They specified "young people" which presumably means some specific age group, so let's narrow it down, let's say "young" refers to the age group 12 - 21. Then the statistic would mean:

60% = 100 X # of human beings of any gender or sex, aged 12-21, who feel ashamed of having a period /# of human beings of any gender or sex aged 12 - 21

Since only 50% to 51% of people, age 12-21, are of the sex capable of having a period, then the statistic, as cited, is impossible. The statistic is false, on its face. In fact, that is the only reason it is interpretable. If the statistic were "12% of young people feel ashamed of having a period," then viewers would NOT consider it obvious that the denominator was female-bodied people. They would be totally confused.

In addition to it being problematic to cite statistics that are openly false, it decreases public trust in statistical statements. If you'll say something openly false, knowing that the listener will understand that it is false, then how much more falsehood will you consider acceptable when you are hiding that your statistics are false?