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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Last week tonight with John Oliver

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Hoardasurass · 01/03/2022 16:16

Did anyone see last nights episode?
I'm really disappointed with the full on pro sex work lecture it completely dismissed the Norwich model as unsafe for "sex workers" while pushing decriminalisation instead ignoring (not even mentioning Germany) the current research the shows that it increases human trafficking and even managed to only interview a trans women "sex worker" about how dangerous the current system is, the only women spoken to were anti nordic pro sex work. He even had a go at the texas "anti trans law" which he claims is an unfair attack on trans people "for no reason "
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Movingonup22 · 01/03/2022 16:26

No threat to him is it??

Whatsnewpussyhat · 01/03/2022 16:32

I stopped watching a while ago tbh. I just got too angry at the man who can often see things so clearly, yet when it comes to female rights he's lost the plot.

He one of those who think men who claim to be women are the most oppressed group ever and women who object are the worst.

He wouldn't fucking dare risk being cancelled by standing up for women.
Just another misogynistic man who is now lauded for sticking it to nasty women with opinions he doesn't like.

OvaHere · 01/03/2022 17:21

I can rarely watch him anyway. He's done some good stuff but regardless he is unbearably smug about it.

He's a bit like Tucker Carlson but for American liberals.

Both are very scripted with writing teams behind them so I'm not even sure I could be certain what their real opinions are. They play characters for a network show.

nightwakingmoon · 01/03/2022 18:02

Just another one of those leftie-liberal middle class men for whom it’s a fashionable opinion to be pro the sex trade. See also Louis Theroux, etc etc. It’s oh so predictable but still really depressing. Sad

Youmadeyourbed · 01/03/2022 22:48

John Oliver is pretty irrelevant. Bill Maher is definitely the one to watch, he packs a lot of clout on the left. Once again in this week's show he has said we have to be able to debate the trans issue. This was in the context of a discussion about the C-PAC events for 2022, which include (amongst the expected Q Anon rubbish) "Fighting Woke" and "Sex Changes Aren't for Kids".

BM said woke is a sort of an eye roll, and his guest, Brett Stephens from the New York Times (the wokety woke paper that includes "terfs" on Wordle, but not "slave") said, "Woke is the progressive gift to the Republican Party." BM said it's veered off from it's original message about fighting injustice into "crazy shit" that the right wing can get their hook in.

With regard to Sex Changes Aren't for Kids, BM said this is new, and (paraphrasing) the process is being triggered in kids too early in some cases. He said, "This is new stuff, and they [which I take to mean the woke progressives] act like if we just debate it, that itself makes you a bigot. Just debating it, you're phobic. It's like NO, this is new stuff, it involves children, we get to talk about it." Audience applauds. Brett Stephens says, "This is actually the responsibility, but also the opportunity of the sane - I believe sane majority of the Democratic Party to speak up; and the problem you have now with the Democrats is that that majority is cowed. They're not woke, right. They have questions, serious questions - the ones you just raised - about sex changes in minors, but they're terrified of speaking up because social media will crush them, they will be defenestrated, they'll be humiliated, they'll be made to apologise."

This is a conversation that Bill Maher had been avoiding until this season, and now there seems to be a little something on the topic every week. Hopefully, liberal people watching that and hearing that from their own side, and Maher as a respected commentator, will think harder about what the progressive left is doing to alienate the centrist and undecided electorate. The general context of this conversation, as it often is on Bill Maher, is that the Democrats are self sabotaging and handing the Republicans easy wins pandering to the batshit and alienating ideas of the minority wing of their party (who incidentally are planning to do a rebuttal to their own President's State of the Union address - talk about self sabotage). And the Dems are looking at a potential big defeat in the November mid-terms, which will turn the country upside down again.

(Slight digression: As I understand that if the Republicans gain back the House of Representatives, they could instal Trump as Speaker of the House (this roll does not require an elected congress person), which would make him the 3rd most powerful person in government after Biden and Harris. Everything I have read says this is highly unlikely to happen, but how many times did I read that about Trump becoming President? I'm sure with the situation in Ukraine, Trump would love a chance to wade in somehow and be the one to stop his pal Putin.)

PriamFarrl · 01/03/2022 22:51

As someone pointed out the other day, when it comes to sex work it’s all about being positive for the women and ‘sex work is work’. But no one ever mentions the other half of the transaction. No one ever talks about the men. Asks who they are or why they think they can rent the use of a woman’s body.

FromEden · 02/03/2022 14:56

Can't stand to watch John Oliver anymore. It's half an hour of smug, lecturing and preaching and has been for ages. I used to think he was funny but don't know if I've changed or he has. Maybe both. Have been pleasantly surprised with Bill Maher. He actually advocates debate about various issues.

miri1985 · 08/03/2022 22:55

sg.news.yahoo.com/ashley-judd-calls-out-john-oliver-for-insensitive-comments-about-sex-work-listen-to-survivors-164059668.html

"At one point, Oliver featured an interview with a former sex worker, now lawyer, who said that at one point in his life he’d worked at Subway, after which Oliver used the opportunity to make what some view as an off-color joke.

“The main difference between sex work and working at Subway is at least in sex work you actually know what the customer is eating,” he said before adding, “And yet, some people feel highly uncomfortable with the very idea that sex is labor and therefore should be treated as such.”

However, Oliver’s approach to making light of sex workers and human trafficking by comparing them to Subway workers didn’t sit well for others, especially former and current sex workers themselves:

Then on Tuesday, Judd re-shared a video made by World Without Exploitation, an organization whose goal is to end human trafficking and sexual exploitation across the globe.

“John Oliver compared prostitution to making sandwiches at Subway,” the caption read alongside a video featuring sex work survivors reading an open letter to the host. “Survivors listened to John Oliver. Now it’s time for John Oliver to #ListenToSurvivors," it concluded.

In the video, the participants spoke from the heart while providing additional context on the issue that they argue was missed by Oliver.

“Dear John Oliver,” the participants began in the video. “We love your show and we love how you always stand up for the people over the powerful, but as survivors of the sex trade we’re here to tell you this time you got it wrong.”

“We get it,” they continued. “As a privileged wealthy straight white guy, you’re not at the best vantage point to understand an industry based on misogyny, racism and economic equality. So here are a few things you missed: Sex buyers are overwhelmingly white guys buying mostly poor Black and brown women and girls, LGBTQI-plus folks and young people. White guys with money buying people of color for their own use.”

They also explained that the sex trade disproportionately represents people of color and other minority groups.

“In places where Black women and girls make up 6 percent of the population, they can represent over 50 percent of those prostituted,” they acknowledged. “In some spots, Indigenous communities only make up 1 percent of the population but can make up to 70 percent of those sold.”

“We completely agree we should not be criminalizing those bought and sold in the sex trade,” the video participants point out. “When you talk about decriminalizing the sex trade, what you’re really talking about is whether or not buyers, brothel owners and pimps should be able to operate legally. That’s precisely why pimps support full decriminalization: They will profit big while those who are exploited suffer. So I guess you could say everything you said in your show is spoken like a true John.”

“As far as comparing being sold in the sex trade as having a job in Subway making sandwiches, I wonder if the Subway employees have to deal with occupational hazards such as rape and sodomy. Hilarious, right John?” they added. “You reduced our exploitation to a bunch of jokes.”

“When you speak, people listen,” they concluded. “You can’t afford to get this wrong. So next time, listen and investigate all sides before you speak. Listen to survivors. Not just the guys who look like you or to those in the sex trade with the privilege to enter and exit anytime they want. You cannot erase those with lived experience. The question is simple: Who do you stand with?”"

OstrichFeathers · 17/03/2022 22:55

Dh is catching up on last night tonight. I'd seen this thread so paid attention to this episode. John Oliver is the very definition of "okey doeky wokey blokey". He thinks he's so incredibly insightful but fuck me he is shallow and overblown.

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