Ukraine Surrogates Might Not Get Paid if they Flee Country

[Delphinium20]

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Another angle I hadn't known about, "traveling may be considered “breaking the contract,” meaning no payment for them."

"A 23 year old woman gave birth to a girll_ in the Kyiv underground, helped by police officers, and was later taken to a hospital. But a Russian woman who currently lives in Ukraine, told 4W that at least one woman has died in childbirth in one of these improvised bomb shelters, because there was no one there to give her a c-section to save her."

I know it's unverified but really it is inevitable that women will die in childbirth in the absence of the availability of emergency treatment.

The whole situation in Ukraine is making me weep, but for these women - I just want those wealthy entitled westerners who rented the wombs to send money, shut up and butt out. It's the least they could do.

These are women whose lives are marked by poverty - as is the case of a woman married to a man who had considered selling a kidneyey_ before she agreed to gestate a baby for another couple for money.*

I invite all those who think surrogacy is a lovely thing, the greatest gift, a truly altruistic act...to consider this couple, and the women who have died and will die, and explain to their families why they hold the views their views.

Horrifying

@Delphinium20

4w.pub/ukrainian-womb-rental-war/

Another angle I hadn't known about, "traveling may be considered “breaking the contract,” meaning no payment for them."

No payment for them and no laws to cover surrogacy - as much as baby buyers will want them to leave the country for safety, Poland doesn't recognise surrogacy, Georgia does - but across borders? It's Anyone's guess and parental rights of a baby who has been paid for being processed through international laws, when people are fleeing with the clothes on their backs?

It's entitlement on steroids. And all the lawyers in the U.K. saying they can help, who are they helping?

Imagine feeling so trapped, you can't leave, you can't stay, you might die, the baby might die but then...you might not get paid and that's the only reason why you were doing it in the first place...and you were doing it because it was that or your husband selling a kidney and you have kids,and empty cupboards and there's a bomb siren going off...

Profiteering in a war by brokering the sale of babies. These 'agencies' have some fucking nerve.

Even if Georgia does recognise their agreements it is going to be very hard to get there. It doesn't share a border with Ukraine and I imagine ferry services are disrupted at the moment.

Just a horrific situation all round which I am sure will be glossed over by the usual suspects.

I am sure the baby brokers will still get paid no matter what though.

What a sad situation. One that should
never be allowed to happen.

I think one of the most puzzling things to me is certainly in developed counties, people who signed up to do a job that wasn't heavy on social responsibility ends up being so anyway. Any shop or industry that involves the selling of age restricted items, well identifying vulnerabilities/coercion etc is part of the job. Keeping the money and our noses clean.

Advice is say give homeless people food not money so they can't spend it on non food items.

Should we be providing this service to someone who potentially doesn't understand what they are doing and could potentially be exploited.

And this is just for goods. Services.

People are rightly horrified when a lonely elderly old lady with dementia is rinsed for thousands of pounds on hew windows she doesn't need.

Yet when it comes to the selling/buying if womens bodies there's a massive blind spot to all of it. It's apparently not the same . They get paid we are nice to them they couldn't ask to be treated better etc.

If we swapped out the baby for 200 pounds worth of scratch cards, people would rightly recognise that someone so poor they were talking about selling a kidney just to buy food, well enabling a gambling addiction would be unethical.

But if its a baby suddenly it's OK?

Makes no sense at all. The buyers clearly don't care if the women live or die provided they get their baby. A full term healthy baby mind. I wonder how many premature disabled babies are actually taken home to the UK...

But it's all OK because suddenly in this one situation consent matters and she chose to do it absolving everyone of any responsibility

Surrogate mother miscarries due to stress, they are devastated.

How is she? In pain? Also devastated? Worried about how much she will get paid now since she is no longer pregnant? Will she be fined as she isn't able to carry out the service she was contracted to? Does she have to give a refund for failing to deliver a live baby?

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These are the kinds of stories that aren’t out there in the public eye, it makes me feel completely helpless. The fact that someone feels they have a right to a baby that leads to situations like this. Poor poor women and poor babies because if they aren’t handed over whilst they are tiny will they still be wanted? How will the mothers cope with no preparation to look after the baby for any length of time? Let’s be honest though it’s a racket and I’m sure the traffickers have got ways to get the babies out of the country and payment and I’m sure that money won’t reach the mothers due to the war.

I also saw a tweet from Dr Em that pimps are waiting for the trains, certainly in Germany, to recruit refugees to the brothels. I don’t have any words and I feel completely helpless, there’s not much I can do in my own country to help women like this let alone women from a war zone.

Was just coming to post about that @Gumbomambo

I can just imagine they are hovering at the border to scoop up desperate women.

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