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Scotland census - Make sure you request paper copy

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NonnyMouse1337 · 28/02/2022 15:39

Please make sure you request a paper copy of the census. Do not fill it in online. Information will be soon be provided on what exactly is to be written. Please tell everyone you know to do the same.

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RVN123 · 19/03/2022 15:28

Okay, slight problem.

It says you must use a box for every letter - there are not enough boxes to record "believer in biology" as your religion.

I ordered my paper copy over 2 weeks ago and just received it this morning, it's to be completed by tomorrow apparently? So not sure it's even going to be recorded.

Also, what do we write for the trans question? No or yes? If yes, what?

Thanks.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/03/2022 15:51

It says you must use a box for every letter - there are not enough boxes to record "believer in biology" as your religion.

I went outside the box with the "Y", others have written it with no spaces.

RVN123 · 19/03/2022 15:54

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

It says you must use a box for every letter - there are not enough boxes to record "believer in biology" as your religion.

I went outside the box with the "Y", others have written it with no spaces.

Thanks. What did you write for the trans question? Tempted to write complete nonsense but don't want to actually be recorded as trans!
NonnyMouse1337 · 20/03/2022 12:29

Today is Census Day!

Hopefully you will have received your paper copy by now, but if not, get in touch with the census helpline as soon as possible to order another copy. You can also fill it out online to avoid further delays.

Question 21 is the voluntary question on religion - write or type in BELIEVERINBIOLOGY in the space provided.

As a further protest, you can also send a letter to the National Records of Scotland.

In last year's England and Wales census, people were offered a draft letter they could put in with their paper census copy, lodging an objection to their data being held or processed as meaning anything other than their biological sex. The letter made use of rights to object to personal data being handled in particular ways, under the GDPR. The census is covered by the GDPR rules.

A similar version is now available for the current Scottish census. Whether the NRS will treat these letters as seriously as they should remains to be seen. But as a GDPR-related communication they should be legally obliged to respond.

Amend the letter to include your name, address and date, and include it with the census paper copy. It can also be sent separately, by anyone who has completed online. Make sure you keep a copy of the letter for yourself, just in case you don't get a reply and want to follow it up. A separate letter should be included for each household member who wants to object.

TEMPLATE LETTER

[Insert your address on the right hand side of the page]

Paul Lowe
Registrar General
National Records of Scotland

c/o Freepost SC2022

[insert date on the right hand side of the page]

Dear Mr Lowe,

CENSUS 2022: OBJECTION TO DATA PROCESSING

I am pleased that the NRS recognises that “the sex question provides vital information for organisations on national and local population statistics, and for long term analysis, as it has been asked since 1801. This question is also used for equality monitoring.”

I am therefore disappointed that the NRS has issued guidance on Question 3 (“sex”) which states that “If you are transgender the answer you give can be different from what is on your birth certificate. You do not need a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC).” In doing so, it has rejected the definition of sex used in the Equality Act and made census data incompatible with that. The Inner House of the Court of Session ruled on 18 February that sex under the Equality Act means “biological sex”.

I am therefore writing to you, as data controller for Scotland’s Census 2022 under the Data Protection Act 2018, to exercise my right to object under Article 21(1) of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) to the information I have provided in response to Question 3 being processed as anything other than my sex registered at birth. This includes all recording, storing and reporting. My reason for raising this objection is that my biological sex was accurately registered at birth. It cannot be changed. I therefore do not want my response to be treated in any context as possibly representing a “sex” other than my sex registered at birth.

I am also exercising my right to obtain from you as data controller a restriction of processing under Article 18(1)(d) of the GDPR, which applies where the data subject “has objected to processing pursuant to Article 21(1) pending the verification whether the legitimate grounds of the controller override those of the data subject”. I am seeking this restriction only in relation to any processing of my response to Question 3 as anything other than my sex registered at birth. I understand that the NRS has one calendar month to respond to my objection. If it intends to override my objection it should let me know, explaining its decision and must demonstrate to me that it has legitimate grounds to do so. Please use the address at the top of this letter for your response.

Yours sincerely,

[SIGN AND PRINT FULL NAME HERE]

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Sexx · 20/03/2022 13:18

Thanks for that letter nonny
I'm just completing my form just now, I've decided that my purple and green biros are both identifying as black pens today Grin

GibbonsGoatsGibbons · 21/03/2022 19:56

Thanks for the letter Nonny that'll go well with my green & purple pens, & stickers (for envelope) Grin

JesusSufferingFuck22 · 21/03/2022 20:01

@hassletassle

Sorry to be thick - what's wrong with doing it online?
I have the same question. I've already filled it out online though for the whole family. (I asked them first.)
NonnyMouse1337 · 21/03/2022 20:07

The paper version means you can do things like filling in the form by writing the letters upside down, or writing messages around the page etc as a form of protest. There's no way to do that by filling out an online form.

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malloo · 21/03/2022 21:23

Does anyone know if placing a wee sticker or two on the form or envelope (not obscuring any writing) would be OK? Dont want my form getting binned. Just thought it might be nice to decorate it Smile

GibbonsGoatsGibbons · 21/03/2022 22:47

My understanding is that you can do what you like with decorating the envelope but not the actual form.
Apparently you can leave extra things in the envelope & folding the paper (many many times) is a pain for them.

Also writing upside down means they can't scan it Grin

They can't "bin them" regardless though!

malloo · 22/03/2022 07:48

Thanks Gibbons

ResilienceWanker · 22/03/2022 08:33

I assume putting stickers on the form means they can't scan it. The only legal requirements are that the census is completed/ submitted, the answers are not false, and that all the non voluntary questions are answered. There is no legal requirement to make the reading of those answers or the handling of the form simple and straightforward for the people doing that. As I understand it. I can't see why stickers on the form (not obscuring any answers) would be any different to writing upside down, writing in a non standard colour, writing the answers outside the boxes, ordering the pages in a weird order or anything else.

Over600Ecalypts · 04/04/2022 10:00

I am still to receive my paper copy.... When I phoned to check, I was told that it was on order and to be patient.

Anyone else still waiting?

beastlyslumber · 05/04/2022 07:25

No, I got it before the census and sent it back. I did get a letter from then saying they hadn't received my form, but I'm guessing that it takes longer to process because it's a paper version...

I would give them a call to see what's happened.

Igneococcus · 05/04/2022 07:35

One of our local FB pages linked to the Scottish census page:

"Approximately a million households in Scotland still need to fill in #ScotlandsCensus2022! If you're amongst them, our census staff may visit your household to offer guidance and to advise on sources of support. They have verifiable identity cards and are working with us to help shape Scotland's future. More info at census.gov.scot"

Some people saying they haven't even got their forms yet in the comments.

2Rebecca · 05/04/2022 07:57

I wonder how many people who struggle with online stuff are waiting for a paper copy not realising you had to order it online which they couldn't do

Trulyweird1 · 05/04/2022 08:17

@2Rebecca

I wonder how many people who struggle with online stuff are waiting for a paper copy not realising you had to order it online which they couldn't do
Probably quite a lot. My elderly MIL was in this position. Kept telling DH she had not been asked to fill one out.

Like so many things they ( Scotgov) do these days, those among the population who do not have internet access, or do not understand how to use it, are left behind. You would have thought, as supposed champions of ordinary Scots, the SNP would understand this basic conundrum.

DomesticatedZombie · 05/04/2022 08:22

SNP don't gaf about old people. See Nicola's 'time is on our side ' statement.

Trulyweird1 · 05/04/2022 09:47

@DomesticatedZombie

SNP don't gaf about old people. See Nicola's 'time is on our side ' statement.
You are so right.
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