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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The next No Males in Female Jails protest

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EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 22/02/2022 19:25

It’s going to be this Saturday (26th) at 1pm, at Downview Prison, Sutton Lane, Sutton, SM2 5PD. Closest stations Sutton and Belmont.

There’s more information on Downview and its E wing for high risk transgender prisoners at kpssinfo.org/the-transgender-unit-e-wing/

The next No Males in Female Jails protest
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Plasmodesmata · 22/02/2022 19:28

Link doesn't work for me.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 22/02/2022 19:50

@Plasmodesmata

Link doesn't work for me.
OK, here's the text (with the permission of Dr Kate Coleman of KPSS)

In 2019, Wing E at HMP Downview, a women’s prison, was re-opened as a ‘transgender unit’ to house male prisoners with a GRC who presented a risk to female prisoners too great to be managed in the normal female estate.

Some saw this as a knee-jerk response to provide a rushed ‘solution’ to the growing evidence that women in prison were at risk from male prisoners and to calm the outrage that had resulted when the male prisoner Karen White, who had been remanded to the female estate to await trial for multiple charges of rape, sexually assaulted women prisoners.

Wing E, also known as the Josephine Butler Wing, is a 16 cell unit which had previously been used to house young female offenders. Before it was repurposed to house male prisoners, there had been plans to turn it into a unit to house women who are preparing for release.

There are clear implications for women in prison when resources in the female estate are repurposed to accommodate the needs of male prisoners. Questions of resource allocation aside, is this an acceptable solution? The short answer is: no.

Paragraph 1.1 of HM Prison and Probation Service document HMP Downview Wing E Policy states that the Unit is intended for:

'Transgender women holding Gender Recognition Certificates who have been assessed as presenting a high risk of harm to other women in custody… where the risk cannot safely be managed on normal location within the Women’s Estate.'

This policy is predicated on the ability to assess risk as being ‘too high’. However risk assessment of male prisoners with GRCs is inadequate. This is because the risk assessment tool that is used for adult men who have been convicted of sexual or sexually motivated offences is not used for males with GRCs because these prisoners are recorded as female and this tool is not to be used for female sexual offenders. Our suspicion is that ‘unmanageable risk’ needs to be demonstrated through cumulative incidents of assault against women in prison.

Paragraph 4.1 states that placement at the Unit is not intended to be permanent, rather prisoners should be assisted in progressing back into the wider female estate. Section 10.0 indicates that prisoners held at the Unit remain able to access activities within the main prison at Downview and to mix with the female prisoners for the purposes of those activities.

For these reasons we consider that the unit at Downview does not provide an acceptable solution that keeps women in prison safe.

In May 2021, the campaign group Fair Play for Women published the Equality Analysis for E Wing, which they had obtained via a Freedom of Information Access request.

The following is of particular note:

'In consideration of the options available to house male prisoners with a GRC, the perceived necessity for these prisoners to continue to associate with female prisoners, to have ‘equality of opportunity’ compared to female prisoners and the wish to ‘foster good relations’ between the two groups took priority over any concern for the safety of female prisoners. For this reason a bespoke unit in the male estate was rejected.

Initially, it was proposed that E Wing should house both ‘non-trans and trans’ high risk women. This would have eliminated discrimination between the two groups as ‘trans women’ would have been treated the same as ‘non-trans women’. Again, this proposal was seen to offer the advantage of fostering good relations. This was rejected as unworkable due to ‘the specific risks to other women which do in part derive from their transgender status’. We believe it is more accurate to state that the ‘specific risks’ arise because these prisoners are male.
There is scant consideration given to the safety and wellbeing of female prisoners at Downview. No account is taken to the budgetary, infrastructure or staffing costs to HMP Downview of repurposing E Wing and the consequent impact on the women held there.'

WING E IS NOW MIXED SEX?
Although it was decided that the Unit would be for the sole use of male prisoners with a GRC, evidence referred to in the judgement handed down in R (FDJ) v Secretary of State for Justice indicates that women have been housed in E Wing at the same time as males prisoners with a GRC.

At paragraph 37, the judgement states:

In response to the Covid-19 pandemic, E Wing has in recent months also accommodated a number of women prisoners who elected to be placed there in order to shield; but they were on a separate landing from the transgender women.

We consider this to be a very worrying development as it sets a precedent for opening the Unit up to female offenders.

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Plasmodesmata · 22/02/2022 20:17

Thanks!

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 22/02/2022 20:18

You're welcome!

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JellySaurus · 22/02/2022 20:52

In consideration of the options available to house male prisoners with a GRC, the perceived necessity for these prisoners to continue to associate with female prisoners, to have ‘equality of opportunity’ compared to female prisoners

Dear Goddess! The priority is to give some male prisoners equality of opportunity compared to female prisoners? How about giving these male prisoners equality of opportunity compared to other male prisoners?

And as for changing the purpose of E wing from helping women to reintegrate into society, to helping males get access to them - that is positively punitive!

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 22/02/2022 21:10

JellySaurus, you’re absolutely right.

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FemaleAndLearning · 22/02/2022 21:41

It's too far for me but wishing everyone well for the protest and look forward to hearing about it.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/02/2022 08:03

Thanks Female. No doubt someone will be along soon to explain about the more important thing we should all be doing on Saturday.

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TinselAngel · 23/02/2022 08:17

I'd be interested to know how this separate wing works in practice. Do it's inmates still share faculties with the female prisoners?

KeepPrisonsSingleSex · 23/02/2022 08:35

Hi,
Apologies that the link didn't work for some of you and thank you for posting the text here (all with full permission!).

Yes, prisoners who are held on E Wing still share facilities with the women held in the wider prison at Downview. This will be to access things like gym, library, education, pharmacy. These are considered to be the most dangerous male prisoners in the female estate who, absent a GRC, would either not have been allocated to the female estate in the first place, or would have been transferred back to the male estate.

The MoJ decided that the prisoners on E Wing have to be allowed to associate with the women in the main prison in order to 'foster good relations' between these two groups.

At best, continuing to permit the prisoners held at E Wing to access facilities in the main estate is disruptive to the women (it may mean things like their regime has to start later or finish earlier so E Wing prisoners can access whatever they need to) and takes away resources, including staffing, in order to supervise these prisoners whilst they are in the main estate. At worst, it leaves women still in a position of risk from prisoners who have been proved to present a level of risk to women that is too high to be safely managed in a normal prison environment.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/02/2022 08:38

Thank you EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn and KeepPrisonsSingleSex for this!

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/02/2022 10:30

Cheers Eresh and thanks KeepPrsonsSingleSex for coming on to explain!

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Datun · 23/02/2022 10:55

The MoJ decided that the prisoners on E Wing have to be allowed to associate with the women in the main prison in order to 'foster good relations' between these two groups.

Jesus wept, it's positively mediaeval. Women are being served up as fodder for these violent male criminals.

Women everywhere are being used as a resource for the worst possible men. Misogyny doesn't get lower.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/02/2022 11:21

I can guess which group is expected to take responsibility for fostering the good relations.

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Greengate66 · 23/02/2022 12:41

There was a recent newsletter, probably from WOLF about the dormitory style of rooms housing 15 women I think it was, that had to be cleared out and presumably the women reshuffled to crowded facilities to accommodate one man. Apologies for lack of specificity.

Are there protests planned further out west?

Saturday is a good day for protests, I'd like to go to Newport tomorrow but I'm working. Is anyone going?

Witheringtong · 23/02/2022 12:56

In 2021 Richard Garside tweeted about women being housed in mens prisons;

Richard Garside
I have heard that at least two female child prisoners are currently being held at the male young offender institution at Wetherby.
It follows the removal of child prisoners from Rainsbrook secure training centre because of safety and welfare concerns.
This is unacceptable.
7:34 AM · Jul 29, 2021
twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1420648792433569795

Richard Garside
Had the prison service not decided to turn the Josephine Butler Unit at Downview into a unit to hold male prisoners, it could have been an option to house young female prisoners. But instead they are being housed in a male young offender institution.
Makes no sense at all.
10:02 AM · Jul 29, 2021·
twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1420671069221007363

happydappy2 · 23/02/2022 13:12

I am appalled that E Wing has been removed as a resource for women & girls that desperately needed it & sickened that males convicted of sexual assaults against women are serving their sentence in womens prisons. How anyone can justify this is beyond me.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/02/2022 15:54

@happydappy2

I am appalled that E Wing has been removed as a resource for women & girls that desperately needed it & sickened that males convicted of sexual assaults against women are serving their sentence in womens prisons. How anyone can justify this is beyond me.
I’m a bit surprised that the usual suspects haven’t been along to justify it.
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WarriorN · 23/02/2022 16:02

The MoJ decided that the prisoners on E Wing have to be allowed to associate with the women in the main prison in order to 'foster good relations' between these two groups.

That's the bit that I was also the most JFC about.

Jfc

WarriorN · 23/02/2022 16:04

It makes absolutely no sense.

Why are not more prison officers querying this? I appreciate some are but how on earth could two girls be housed with boys?

VortexofBloggery · 23/02/2022 17:05

I'm thinking of joining the protest on Saturday @KeepPrisonsSingleSex, do I just show up? Thanks

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/02/2022 17:19

KPSS isn’t organising it but yes - as I understand it just turn up & look out for the women!

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VortexofBloggery · 23/02/2022 17:26

Thanks @EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn, will do!

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/02/2022 20:16

@VortexofBloggery

Thanks *@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn*, will do!
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BeReet · 24/02/2022 13:07

Northern Radfem Network are working with KPSS and have a sister demo planned at Styal Women's prison on Saturday 26th at 12. Styal is near Mcr Airport. NRN have protested outside Styal recently and got a lot of local support. Speeches and clip can be seen on NRN website which I will try and link to (I'm a bit shite at tech)

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