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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Do Britons favour trans rights? The truth is most people self-identify as ‘don’t knows’

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Igneococcus · 20/02/2022 07:29

Sarah Ditum in the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c0b5243e-91a2-11ec-ba83-35d92f80c266?shareToken=b458bcbffb9845ce0cdebd9865b40391

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TheGreatATuin · 20/02/2022 13:46

The problem, as always, is what is meant by 'trans rights'.
The vast majority are fully in support of full human rights for trans people and for the right of any person to be gender non-conforming without discrimination.
I certainly am, and I imagine everyone on this board is too.
And I think that's what most people are thinking when they're in favour.
The conflict comes in because there is a demand in certain quarters for other people's rights - particularly women's - to be overridden. That is dressed up as a reasonable request for trans rights when it's really an unreasonable demand for trans privilege.
The swimming issue is a case in point. Its reasonable and a basic right for a trans swimmer to be allowed to participate in sport and compete.
It's not reasonable to demand that a male swimmer be allowed to compete in a female category.
However, pushback against the latter is being framed as pushback against the former.
Most people will support trans rights, but few will support trans privileges masquerading as rights.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 20/02/2022 14:14

Thanks for the share tokens, Igneo. I’m impressed by the Times and especially the Sunday Times coverage of women’s rights recently.

Cuck00soup · 20/02/2022 22:10

It’s a good article. Of course, most people aren’t don’t knows at all, in the sense that they understand there are only two sexes. A don’t know reply is usually given out of politeness or fear of saying what they believe out loud.

Getting sex muddled with gender on official paperwork whilst capitalising on people’s reluctance to say the word sex, was unfortunately a strategic master stroke.

MangyInseam · 20/02/2022 22:25

I think so many people are just confused. They no don't really know what activists are including under the umbrella of trans rights. They don't really know what the science says. They don't trust lobbyists or medical people. And they are hearing all kinds of contradictory things.

Cwenthryth · 21/02/2022 03:23

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The picture on that article is quite amusing, some young people at some sort of trans protest march. One, obviously a young woman, holding a sign saying "Binary is for Computers". Well yes Confused everyone is "non binary" because humans aren't "binary". Do they even understand what they're protesting about?
Quite. “Binary is for computers” struck me as a fairly transphobic slogan, as surely MTF and FTM trans people believe in a gender binary and are transitioning to the other option.
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