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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Westminster Hall debate on self id 21st February

20 replies

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 16/02/2022 15:43

A government petition for self id has reached 130,000 signatures and hence the government is obliged to debate it. Please let your MP know that you don’t support self id

committees.parliament.uk/committee/326/petitions-committee/news/160946/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-to-be-debated-by-mps/

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DoubleTweenQueen · 16/02/2022 15:58

Thanks for this.

Monitaurus · 16/02/2022 16:02

My MP knows what I think but has said that males should be in female prisons so I don’t think he is on our side...

DomesticatedZombie · 16/02/2022 16:05

All sunlight is good.

Toseland · 16/02/2022 16:07

We should protest this in person - my MP is hopeless.

crosstalk · 16/02/2022 16:09

Westminster Hall debates are okay but more heat than light IMHO.

Manderleyagain · 16/02/2022 16:51

Oh God I suppose that means I'd better contact my mp again!

TheFnozwhowasmirage · 16/02/2022 17:26

My MP told me in o uncertain terms that TWAW and they are THE most victimised and vulnerable members of society. For good measure she told me that I had nothing to fear from men in places where you'd expect to have privacy,safety and dignity.Angry
I did reply,stating some statistics/ facts and that she doesn't get to tell me how safe/ unsafe I should feel. I received no reply.
Her social media was full of meetings with stonewall and mermaids,and she was pushing self ID,but recently she's not mentioned them at all. She's either realised which way the wind is blowing and quietly stepping back,hoping that we have short memories,or someone has told her that her nonsense won't fly in a predominantly rural,farming constituency.
However,I don't feel confident in emailing about this,even now,as I don't fancy having a NCHI recorded against me. ( Although I may already have one,who knows?).

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/02/2022 17:30

@TheFnozwhowasmirage

What is an NCHI?

TheCurrywurstPrion · 17/02/2022 06:09

[quote Mummyoflittledragon]@TheFnozwhowasmirage

What is an NCHI?[/quote]
Non-crime hate incident.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/21/ex-police-officer-wins-appeal-over-forces-guidance-on-hate-incidents

Exhausting that this issue comes up for debate, over and over. It will be a good day when the lobby groups pushing for it finally concede (or are pushed aside as unreasonable) that self-ID is incompatible with women’s rights and that campaigns for other types of protection are a better way forward.

Mummyoflittledragon · 17/02/2022 06:41

@TheCurrywurstPrion
Thanks. Unfortunately I’ve already read about this. Still struggling to understand how we could get to this point. I believe GG stated they passed the letters they received onto the police. I wonder if any of the letters have been recorded as NCHI. Sad

highame · 17/02/2022 06:57

My MP letter will go in today.

I do think TWAW MP's are recognising that out loud statements are causing public disquiet, but just because they're no longer stating TWAW, I am not taking this as a change, just a recognition that it's not a vote winner.

purpleboy · 17/02/2022 09:41

I called my MP spoke to his secretary who said she would pass on the message, very unenthusiastically.

purpleboy · 17/02/2022 10:32

www.womensrights.network/gra-debate

Here's a template for anyone to write to their MP

Jux · 17/02/2022 13:40

Emailed my MP just now

highame · 17/02/2022 14:10

Just received a reply from mine, very swift response. The first section is something he always sends and I think it must be Tory 'how to respond to questions about GRA'. The last bit is his own (different typeface on my email)
Thank you for contacting me about the Gender Recognition Act 2004 (GRA) and the upcoming Westminster Hall debate.

I am determined that everyone in the UK should be free to live their lives and fulfil their potential regardless of their sex, gender identity, race or disability. I am also clear that transgender people should be free to proposer in modern Britain.

I am encouraged that my colleagues in the Government Equalities Office have, over recent years, looked carefully and thoroughly into the gender recognition process, including considering potential changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004. After careful consideration, it is their view that this existing legislation strikes the right balance between ensuring there are proper checks and balances in the system and ensuring there is support in place for people who want to change their legal sex.

However, it was clear from the consultation that changes are needed to improve the process and experience transgender people have when applying for a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC). When responding to the National LGBT survey, transgender people highlighted two key obstacles in the process: bureaucracy and cost. I am especially glad that these are being addressed, with the entire procedure moving online and the existing £140 fee being reduced to £5. This fee reduction is already in effect and I understand that the Government's Equality Hub is working at speed to move the application process online, with more details to be set out in due course. I know that the Government wants to ensure that applying for a GRC is as straightforward and dignified as possible, and I am confident these changes will make a noticeable difference to the transgender people who use the system.

Together with my colleagues in government, I want every individual, regardless of their sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity to have the confidence and the freedom to be themselves.

his bit
As a Government Minister I am not able to participate in Westminster Hall debates as they are for backbench MPs only (and Government Ministers cannot take part under Parliamentary rules). You should also be aware that, as a result, Westminster Hall debates take place outside the main Commons Chamber, have no binding or legislative effect, and no binding votes are taken. I do however appreciate your strength of feeling on this issue and I shall pass on your comments to my Ministerial colleagues at the Government Equality Office, during the course of my regular meetings with them.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me.

Kind regards

Monitaurus · 18/02/2022 00:19

highame perhaps you could reply to ask what the government is doing to improve the process for applying for benefits or disability allowance to preserve claimants privacy and dignity. Or indeed the privacy and dignity of women not wanting to share with males.

Redshoeblueshoe · 18/02/2022 00:27

My MP says TWAW - I'm sure she would be quite happy if Izzard becomes the first woman to be leader of the Labour Party.

No wonder this country is in such a fucking mess !

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/02/2022 05:48

@purpleboy

https://www.womensrights.network/gra-debate

Here's a template for anyone to write to their MP

Thank you for this. I drafted something but wasn’t happy. Now sent using this template.
TheCurrywurstPrion · 18/02/2022 06:01

You should also be aware that, as a result, Westminster Hall debates take place outside the main Commons Chamber, have no binding or legislative effect, and no binding votes are taken.

Sounds like your MP was trying to offer reassurance, highame. Indeed in this case, it is better if this has very little influence on government. It’s an interesting take, however, in that if we’re to find it reassuring that petitions have such limited reach in this case, it’s not so ideal that any and all petitions have a similarly limited effect, even if they do get enough signatories to trigger a debate.

But perhaps I am misunderstanding the point he’s making. Perhaps he’s merely saying he won’t be able to speak himself?

highame · 18/02/2022 09:11

I'm not sure with my MP. I know he supports my right to my opinion and always responds. I am going to send a reply just to get him to acknowledge that there is a conflict of rights because I'm not sure he's ever done that, not in so many words. He is Tory and my impression is that the Tories have more obvious GC people (Truss etc) but there's a lot of ah buts

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